another boating tragedy

GW, I'm afraid that you and I have a fundamental difference in view.

IMHO, a "boater" is anyone, from little children in their rotomolded teacup boat, all the way up to submarine drivers, all of whom are involved with "boats".

And while the the governmental regulation of certain types of boating varies with the task, the challenges brought forth by the sea are the same.

The sea is a wonderful place, both beautiful and dangerous. It pains me to see -anyone- lose their life in the pursuit of such wonder.
 
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I was also under the impression this site was made up of “recreational boaters”. I don’t think it fair to compare the situations these guys face daily to that of one like “why didn’t they just stay at the yacht club that day”, as a “boater” like yourself may .

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You really need to get over yourself. You sound like an ass with comments like that. How dare you infer one style of boating is more important then another. This is a Boater Education site. Discussing the possible events that caused an incident is what we do.

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Shouldn't that read "possible non-events"?

If you had a clue you'd understand these guys were already working offshore when the weather turned and were trying to return safely to port.

Where the hell is it inferred one type of boating is "more important" than the other? Get off your high horse and show some respect.

Bill,
Yes one “can” refer to anything from a canoe to a battleship as a “boat”, and their operators and crew as “boaters”. However, I didn’t think we needed a detailed explanation when comparing recreational boats (and boaters) to commercial fishing vessels (and commercial fishermen). I assumed one would know we were talking about different types of vessels as well. A 70’ displacement steel hulled trawler is built to withstand 20-30 mph winds and 8-10 feet sea’s. These things are built to work offshore 24/7 in all but the harshest conditions. While many/most safety issues discussed on this site apply to all types of vessels, I was only implying that what’s unsafe for one type of boat may not be unsafe for another (thus my "stay at the yacht club" comment that rommer tweaked out over). As far as I know the navy didn’t call their ships into port that day, and worldwide shipping continued as well.
 
GW,

Well, I am glad we agree on at least a few things. Yes, every boat has it's design criteria and is suitable for a varied range of sea conditions ( commercial, military, recreational or not... ). I assume that the fishing vessels that we are discussing are designed for the sea conditions in the area under discussion. While I may be wrong in that assumption, it is a reasonable expectation and a good start point.

FWIW: There have been instances ( not this one ) where even naval vessels stay in port... ;)
 
I gotta side with Pete on this one. This is not just an obit column for non-subcribing contributors to say nice touchy feely things to each other. We are here to learn and safety is the number one thing to learn.
 
OK "fasteddy", it's also supposed to be an "educational forum" isn't it? As stated so many times above. Remember, this is the "internet", and people believe what they read (see "educational forum" and/or visit Snopes.com). "Glancing" down through the posts one sees the words alcohol, stupidity, the implication of poor seamanship and lack of preparedness. These comments cumulatively appeared to paint a bad picture and appeared to be slandering the image of those lost. After seeing the 4 families, the guys wife, and his beautiful 28 year old daughter crying on the news, and hearing he was a 62 year old experienced captain on his last retirement trip, I felt obliged to try and point this thread in a positive direction, with some facts. Sometimes the truth can be "educational" as well. This was clearly not a case of some yahoo drunken driving his million dollar blingmobile into/over another vessel/person. If you think "Subscribing contributors" making comments that slander the names of good people for self-promotional interests is what this "educational forum's" about, and heartless people like yourself chiming in sarcastically knocking kind words/thoughts, well no wonder I keep putting off that anchor purchase ..... You know where you can stick your comments. Touchy feely this pal!
 
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Originally posted by Grady Wahoo

I felt obliged to try and point this thread in a positive direction...

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When do you plan on doing that?
 
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Originally posted by Grady Wahoo

If you think "Subscribing contributors" making comments that slander the names of good people for self-promotional interests is what this "educational forum's" about, and heartless people like yourself chiming in sarcastically knocking kind words/thoughts, well no wonder I keep putting off that anchor purchase ..... You know where you can stick your comments. Touchy feely this pal!

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rommer, I think it was this comment that has turned us around the corner to a "positive direction"
 
Grady...

You positively should take a great big breath and step off the soap box.
 
And thats what you call positive?

Please show me where I have speculated ANYTHING about the people that lost their lives in this thread.

You on the other hand do nothing but attack those that don't go along with your very narrow way of thinking. You dishonor all that have given their lives at sea with your callous attacks on others.

Go ahead try and point out how commercial fisherman are better than me you seem to be bent on doing so. I continue to look forward to your positive direction...
 
Wow, somebody got up on the wrong side of the be today, I think he might need a "timeout".
 
Listen you Bozo's, wayyyy back at the beginning of the thread I pointed out some slight "mistruths", with some facts. I was only trying to add some clarity to an unfolding story, with some facts. And then you guys went on the attack. It was never said or implied one group of people was "better" than the other. I have no idea where that's coming from. Respect for no matter who's involved in a tragedy is apparently a bit much to ask from you guys. And excuse me for responding to a personal attack from "fasteddy" this morning, not.....

As far as my "narrow way of thinking"-if by this you mean using the facts in the case, I'm guilty as charged.....
 
I am responding from a post in NBR from Pete. I am also pasting a response from charlie826.

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If it was a safety discussion involving facts it's fine. Nobody knows what happened. It's pure speculation. Why not google up accidents that are several years old and whose cause has been determined, post it and discect it. That would make more sense than second guessing what professional sailors [or rec boaters for that matter] MAY OR MAY NOT have done wrong.
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Charlie
...and I agree with GW, in that speculating what may or may not have gone wrong is NOT helpful in any sense. Everyone here has heard of disasters at sea but until you experience how quickly a things can go from routine to wrong, speculation is just armchairing.
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Originally posted by Grady Wahoo

1) Listen you Bozo's,...

2) And then you guys went on the attack.

3) Respect for no matter who's involved in a tragedy is apparently a bit much to ask from you guys.

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Three key things YOU fail to see.

1) You love to call people names,

2) You think anyone that disagrees with you is attacking you.

3) You have NO respect for people that have an opinion that does not match yours.

Still waiting for that positive direction you promised. I won't hold my breath...
 
Good post Charlie.
That was my point as well, though I'll agree I did get off track, a bit. :-)

rommer, the thread was "somewhat" civil, until you threw the word "ass" into your post. Sure my gloves came off after that. But I believe you started the name calling.....

Opinions are fine, but when they're based on mere speculative gossip, I believe the truth/facts should be stated. That's how to add quality to your forum.

And to think I went to bed singing "Kumbaya" last night...
 
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