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How about an older Viking aft cabin. 50ft, 1988 and up.

Cant go wrong with the well built Viking..

How about a hatteras??
 
I don't like the look of the 4450 it's what I call a sneaker boat. I prefer the more traditional looking boats.
Different strokes for different folks.
Bill
 
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Originally posted by Veebyes

I'm confused. You want an express boat, i.e. fast, big engines to make it go fast, very expensive to run, but you don't have the money or don't want to spend over $150K & you want all the human comforts of a 50' plus motoryacht. Some big sacrifices are going the have to be made.

Woodsong came up with the most realistic compromise though I'd step it down even further & look a SINGLE engine trawler or pilothouse trawler. Foot for foot the trawler is going to cater to human cruising/family weekending needs than any fuel guzzling hellishly expensive to run & maintain express boat that is happier plugged in at a marina, with all the utilities, than on the hook for the weekend.

Look around. How often do you see those big boats capable of going fast on the plane actually doing so. There is a reason for it.

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No need to be confused. I like the ability to cruise at 20+ knots as my time is limited and I can't afford to cruise along at 8 knots. Also my kids are still young 7, 10, & 12, they do like to go fast and get places quicker than a trawler can offer. My wife enjoys the openness of the express models as well as you are at dock level so you’re not isolated from your dockmates. I’m not looking for 2012 model, circa 2000 is fine for me. As far as economy, my current ride burns more fuel than Dave or Hogan’s boats do at cruise yet is much more confined.

The Trojan 440 looks like an ideal candidate, but I’m open to others that offer a similar layout or level of comfort.

The mention of the sneaker boat look is funny. I always felt this boat looked like a shoe.
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/list...ueensland/Australia&boat_id=2015417&noOfPic=1
 
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Originally posted by Veg

I'm a big Tiara fan so while this might not suit your needs best (no 3 staterooms), it wouldn't hurt to look at something like a 4000 Express, something like this:

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1998/Tiara-4000-Express-2450536/PUNTA-GORDA/FL/United-States

Again, just throwing it out there for fun :-)

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I love Tiaras and you're right the only issue is no 3rd stateroom. As pointed out that's a pretty rare commodidtiy in an express boat. King and I pretty much have the same interests in a boat. 20+ Knt cruising with kids. We also like expresses because I prefer to drive closer to the water. And when rafted up with other express style boats or sailboats as we are often, we are all on the same level. That said I would not rule out a bridge boat one day.

The 4000 Express is a nice boat and post 1997 came with a hard top. For me a hard top became mandatory as I HATE dealing with canvas. That was the boat I would have bought if my budget was a little higher. I looked at a lot of Trojan 44's on line as well but were a little too expensive and were too big for my slip. Plus, too much canvas for me.

I wasn't worried about staterooms, just wanted enought births for all six of us. My boat with a "plan b" layout became a good compromise.
 
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Originally posted by BoatCrazy

How about an older Viking aft cabin. 50ft, 1988 and up.

Cant go wrong with the well built Viking..

How about a hatteras??

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Some of the older Vikings are great but they have 800 to 1000 gallon diesel tanks for a reason. I wouldn't even consider a Viking with gas engines and they made a few. I see in your original post you want diesels smart move don't budge on that requirement. I agree with a fast trawler your looking at running up to 18 knots burning 12-18 gallons an hour or 3gph max at 8-9knots and you will get there without beating everyone on the boat up. If you get a go fast express and one large enough to have 3 staterooms you will probably burn 22-25 gallons an hour at the same speed possibly more at higher speeds.
Dave, Mike or Don what is your fuel flow on the 44 Express at 18 knots? What about say 23-25 knots fully provisioned for say 3 kids and your wife for extended cruising?
I'm really curious.

Bill
 
As not to get into the big debate I will simply say I do not have any fuel monitor system on my boat the only two calculations I can provide is running hours to total burned between fill ups and mile per gallon burn. The simple math of hours to burn on average has never been higher then 21 and the average has been about 20. Miles to gallons seems to fall about 1 mile per gallon but this is not anywhere near an exact number. I cruise at 2390-2400 RMPs WOT is 2800 I'm right about 20 knots but I usually set my gauges for MPH this said depending on conditions I travel between 21-25 mph or there about. She is no rocket ship but smooth as can be and a pleasure to drive!
My biggest fear of moving up is the next boat will be a pig by comparison!
 
On my most recent trip, I cruised at 2200 RPM's, which was about 18 - 20 knots (depending on which way the current was running). I burned 29 gallons per hour, including 1 gal/hour for the genny)from homp port to Montauk.

My RPM's seem to correlate to my MPH. If I'm running 2200, I go 22 MPH, 2300 = 23 MPH...
 
My RPM's seem to correlate to my MPH. If I'm running 2200, I go 22 MPH, 2300 = 23 MPH...

Mine are real close as well but as I hit the 2400 mark I can pick up an extra 1+ mph bringing me to the 25 or even 26mph #. Do you have a flow scan to give you your burn rate or are you using hours to gallons like me? I have checked several times with John and we both have the same Cats and the exact burn rate each of us have tested over several trips. I have been coming up with the same numbers since I bought the boat. Not that I would be complaining about 29 Gallons that's not a huge difference. I too run my generator most of the time while traveling so the extra gallon is in there as well.
 
No flo-scans, just gallons divided by hours.
 
Thanks guys I was just making sure the RO understands the operating costs. Also I saw him mention Volvo diesels while these are good diesels they are probably one of the more expensive diesels to service and purchase parts for. Your far better off with Cummings or CAT diesels but that is just my opinion based on reading boat diesel's forum. For repowers the Yanmars look good but if I were purchasing a used trawler I would want CAT's, Lehmans or Perkins for non turbo motors or possibly Cummings or Yanmar for turbo's the ideal motors for a repower are Luggars. These are opinions based on the style boat I would want and priorities depending on the age, hours and actual Trawler I would purchase. I am not really interseted in a full displacement hull but a semi-displacement or so called "fast trawler" hull look and design. Since it is generally just myself and my wife the boat we have suites us just fine but we shall see how she does once we start extended coastal cruising. We already have been preparing by spending over 90% of our time living on the boat the last 6 weeks.
Bill
 
I can concur with Dave on the gph. Properly maintained the cats are reliable motors with many parts available through Napa. Not so for many of the other diesels like Volvo or yanmar.
 
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Originally posted by Prospective

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Originally posted by Veg

I'm a big Tiara fan so while this might not suit your needs best (no 3 staterooms), it wouldn't hurt to look at something like a 4000 Express, something like this:

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1998/Tiara-4000-Express-2450536/PUNTA-GORDA/FL/United-States

Again, just throwing it out there for fun :-)

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I love Tiaras and you're right the only issue is no 3rd stateroom. As pointed out that's a pretty rare commodidtiy in an express boat. King and I pretty much have the same interests in a boat. 20+ Knt cruising with kids. We also like expresses because I prefer to drive closer to the water. And when rafted up with other express style boats or sailboats as we are often, we are all on the same level. That said I would not rule out a bridge boat one day.

The 4000 Express is a nice boat and post 1997 came with a hard top. For me a hard top became mandatory as I HATE dealing with canvas. That was the boat I would have bought if my budget was a little higher. I looked at a lot of Trojan 44's on line as well but were a little too expensive and were too big for my slip. Plus, too much canvas for me.

I wasn't worried about staterooms, just wanted enought births for all six of us. My boat with a "plan b" layout became a good compromise.

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I have to agree with your comments on having a hardtop. I had one custom made for my Mainship after seeing the only other 40SB in the country with one in Florida. It keeps the heat out (insulates you from the sun) in the summer and the heat in once it gets colder out extending my season. Having a hardtop also gives the added real estate for a nice solar system and TV/Sat KVH Domes. I also put a low profile AC/heatpump as well for additional cruising comfort/climate control. If possible and I were shopping for an express the hardtop option would be a must have.
Bill
 
The beauty of something like this http://www.boats.com/boat-details/North-Pacific-42/118535011 is that the commute time going to & coming from 'there' can be used either preparing for being 'there' or preparing the boat for putting away till next time on the way home from 'there'. Going fast nobody can do much of anything but hang on while the skipper makes best possible speed to get 'there'.

When we were regular multinight weekenders everything got chucked on the boat, we made best possible time to get underway & then chugged off to wherever we were going while Admiral & kids put everything away without getting thrown around the boat. The return trip was the same. Dishes were washed, stuff needing to go home packed up ready for a quick unloading, all without getting thrown around because of speed. Instead of the trip taking a half hour at speed burning over 12gph, it took a leasurely cruise of an hour at less than 3gph burn.
 
VeeByes now thats my idea of the almost perfect boat. I have to say though for the year and single engine package it's priced a bit on the high side in this market. Thats pretty close to what I would like to eventually own.
Bill
 
FYI the north pacific 42 only has a 12'7" beam- way too narrow for me for that size IMO. My 45 has a 15' beam. At 42, you really should have at least a 14' beam. My little Monk 36 even has a wider beam at 13' than the NP 42.
 
Good point Tony about the beam. I still think dollars to doughnuts the Bayliner Pilothouse series you have is the best in it's class in the price range. I just can't see that many people in an Express for any extended period of time. My 40SB is fine for my wife and I. It's beam is 13.5" but that would be my limit for extended cruising. It sounds like you are doing what my wife and I have been doing spending more time on the water then on land and really enjoying it. My son's suprised us both this evening and took us out to dinner fdr our anniversary and my birthday. It was great they even paid! I left the tip.
Bill
 
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