It is not real veneer Pascal. It is clear plastic that has been heated and molded to the cabinet. The "veneer" almost appears to be like a wood grain shelf paper. All production boats I have been on use this method. Easy for off site mass production. I had the same stuff in my Regal.
Strange Interior Wrinkle
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It is not real veneer Pascal. It is clear plastic that has been heated and molded to the cabinet. The "veneer" almost appears to be like a wood grain shelf paper. All production boats I have been on use this method. Easy for off site mass production. I had the same stuff in my Regal.
UPDATE
Here is a picture of the bubbles. Doesn't look too bad in the picture, actually worse in person.
Will try the iron and roller tonight. Will report back.
Sea Ray got back to me. The stuff is called VitaCore made by International Paper. No longer available. They suggested contacting www.restorationmarine.com for a solution.
Here is a picture of the bubbles. Doesn't look too bad in the picture, actually worse in person.
Will try the iron and roller tonight. Will report back.
Sea Ray got back to me. The stuff is called VitaCore made by International Paper. No longer available. They suggested contacting www.restorationmarine.com for a solution.
Well, no luck with the iron. It's buckled out to the point that it just pops back out when you remove the pressure.
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UPDATE
Here is a picture of the bubbles. Doesn't look too bad in the picture, actually worse in person.
Will try the iron and roller tonight. Will report back.
Sea Ray got back to me. The stuff is called VitaCore made by International Paper. No longer available. They suggested contacting www.restorationmarine.com for a solution.
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You have to heat it enough that the product and glue soften, press it back in flat, then hold it there till it cools...
I went to the boat after church this morning. It's a HUGE design problem on mine. The frame for the microwave sticks about a 1/16 of an inch allowing air to get beneath the laminate. The laminate is an extremely thick plastic that is not easily moved. Other than the moldy section beneath the dish cabinet on the port side galley, I am going to live with it. I'll experiment with some stuff during down time, however, I think a redo is in order to make it right. Lot's of moola I don't have for that.
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The weather has gotten quite warm in the last couple of days. The laminate plastic is tighter around the radius of the curve.
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The weather has gotten quite warm in the last couple of days. The laminate plastic is tighter around the radius of the curve.
We at least now know that you're dealing with some sort of impregnated paper product and not LPL. However, we do not know what the underlying substrate is (MDF, plywood, etc.) or what type of adhesive was used to attach the film to the backer (hot melt, PSA, PVC, contact cement).
Suggest that you contact Sea Ray again and see if they can give you any of the above information. It's possible that the underlying substrate de-laminated and a quick fix isn't possible. At least, if we know the parameters, we might be able to find a solution.
I think it's BS that they referred you to Restoration Marine, to fix the problem.
Bob
Suggest that you contact Sea Ray again and see if they can give you any of the above information. It's possible that the underlying substrate de-laminated and a quick fix isn't possible. At least, if we know the parameters, we might be able to find a solution.
I think it's BS that they referred you to Restoration Marine, to fix the problem.
Bob
Actually,
John at Restoration Marine has been very helpful. He sent me a long email today about the history of Vitacore, and that it's now called Nuvacor.
Vitacore required you to apply the adhesive, but Nuvacor already had the adhesive applied.
There was a problem that installers were not using enough adhesive.
They are sending me samples to see if it matches. If so, I'll buy a sheet, take apart the cabinet and find someone to remove and replace.
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( Ahem. One solution, not yet mentioned: You could buy a bigger boat! [
ropeller] )
ropeller] )My layout is the exact same as yours. I honestly don't know how to take it apart. I do know it starts with removal of the microwave and the fridge.
Sidebar: I read on another site, while you have the fridge out, change the exhaust fan to a quieter one.
The down side is boating season is a bad time to consider a total gut and redo. The upside is if you are handy, it's gonna look great when it is done.
From what I can figure, the whole thing is very basic screws....the tough thing is getting to the basic screws.
In this day and age and with the materials available, it is very easy to do this very economically and DIY.
I saw my dream boat, a 1970's era 36' Sea Ray "T" top (sick yes!!). The fellow was roughly my size (6'4"). He extended the forward berth to fit himself. He also redid all the cabinets and did the counters in granite. Long story short, the boat was Sierra Hotel.
--EDIT ADD-- All the cabinets and counters came from homedepotlowes.
The only issue was the weight v. the HP. It had 454's and needed small diesels or 8.2's.
Good luck.
Wrinkle Update,
Well maybe it's the temp change or something, but I went to the boat this weekend, and all of the wrinkles / delaminated areas are gone.
May return in the winter, who knows, but we're relieved for the moment.
By the way ... the Nuvacore samples were close but didn't match.
Maybe now is a good time to try that "Iron" method to re-activate the glue.
AB
Well maybe it's the temp change or something, but I went to the boat this weekend, and all of the wrinkles / delaminated areas are gone.
May return in the winter, who knows, but we're relieved for the moment.
By the way ... the Nuvacore samples were close but didn't match.
Maybe now is a good time to try that "Iron" method to re-activate the glue.
AB
AB
What you want to do is heat the glue sufficiently, with an iron or hair dryer and then roll the laminate with a "J" roller, while the adhesive is still hot.
Google J roller to see photos. This is what they use in countertop shops. You can exert much more pressure with this roller vs. an iron.
Bob
What you want to do is heat the glue sufficiently, with an iron or hair dryer and then roll the laminate with a "J" roller, while the adhesive is still hot.
Google J roller to see photos. This is what they use in countertop shops. You can exert much more pressure with this roller vs. an iron.
Bob