2 Interesting B/US Articles

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The December issue of the BooatU.S Magazine has a couple of interesting articles reading regarding marine gas fuels.

One is about Ethanol Myths that most of us have considered previously, that includes expertise from BP , Chevron and Mercury Marine: http://www.boatus.com/magazine/2011/december/ethanol.asp Note at the end Merc mentions E10 (NOT E15) is a pretty good fuel in that it allows the gas in tanks to "stay dry" as normal minimal amounts of water is pulled through water separators with the gasohol to pass through the engines without harming the latter.

And the second is about research into a potential (and related) alternate-alcohol additve to replace ethanol: Isobutanol.
http://www.boatus.com/magazine/2011/december/affairs.asp

No indication of relative end costs other than "potentially cost-effective".

Note that much of the summarized information below is from that offered in the article by Dave Munz,representative of GEVO Co. a publicly traded company (NASDAQ) who as a producer has strong interest in promoting isobutanol.

It reportedly has 30% more energy per unit than ethanol, does not bond to water to the same level as E10 so phase-separation apparently is not an issue (but a water separator would be more important again), is less corrosive so it can be run through a pipeline instead of transported by train & truck and supposedly can be used in higher % mix without the dire consequences of E15 use in marine engines.

It's solvent properties are weaker than ethanol so it might be safer in f/g tanks (and rubber parts?) but would likely not keep fuel systems as clean.

Preliminary testing in boats with O/B, I/O & jet drives indicates no increase in emissions or internal wear.

It should be interesting to see what becomes of this as more facts and tests are reveled.
 
The destruction wreaked by ethanol is no myth.

The corruption in Washington to allow it to happen is astonishing even by our 100% corrupt Government standards.
 
Having more energy in the fuel molecule does not translate to mpg. The combustion temperature will get you efficiency. The current engines might not take higher temperatures without major consequences.
 
First of all, the ethanol mixes with water and has been used to 'treat' water in fuel. To that end, the water/alcohol mixing is a good thing in that it automatically 'treats' water contaminated fuel. Alcohol mixes with both gas and water, allowing both to be burned by the engine.

The bad part is the point that the alcohol can no longer 'hold' the water in suspension. At that point, it separates out from both the gas and alcohol. And being heavier, will sit at the bottom of the tank where the pick-up tube is.

As an aside, it may be possible to install a hand pump in the tank to extract the water at the bottom of the tank.
 
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Originally posted by jtybt15

....As an aside, it may be possible to install a hand pump in the tank to extract the water at the bottom of the tank.






BUT....if the fuel in your tank should phase seperate, and if you could pump out the water/alcohol mixture from the bottom of the tank....you would be left with a fuel that has an octane rating WAY lower than most, if any, motor can safely operate.
 
Just the water separates from the alcohol. The fact that the gasohol has been sitting so long that it actually has the time to absorb that much water from the air that it separates is probably the biggest reason you lose the effectiveness of the gas.

Ya still gotta learn what 'Octane' is and what it does. It is not what most people think.
 
When the alcohol in the ethanol fuel saturates ....the water/alcohol solution separtes from the ethanol fuel....phase separation.....not just the water.
 
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