BE Poll

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Originally posted by boatbum

The poll is too polarized so I didn't vote. The choices don't address the poll question adequately. If moderation improved would that correct the worst of the issues? Or, if new id registration improved beyond the non existent manual method would that correct issues. I sort of lump new ID registration into the moderation category since it is a form of control.

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Do you really think the site is better now that it is not moderated??? Look at all the garbage threads on ATC (including this one). Look at all the sniping between people, the political pontificating. Even a boating-related thread (How does this happen?) descended into nonsense.

In the past 10 days, there are not even enough new threads on ATC to fill up one page. Where are all the new boaters who use to come around here looking for advice, which we all took such pride in providing. Be honest with yourself... if you were a new boater and visited this forum, would you stick around or head for the hills???
 
Tim, when was the last time we even had a "new member"??? Les has gone completely off the grid, without him approving newbies, we will never have any more...

I don't understand why he can't take five minutes to give someone ATC moderator privileges and approval privileges.
 
Perhaps all sorts of reasons running the gambit of legal, trustworthyness, etc.. Why he doesn't upgrade? Perhaps too many local mods to the source code make it extremely difficult to upgrade or it just doesn't pay. I wonder if he is very slow to approve non paying users because he has been roasted by many in the past and doesn't need the grief of people whining for "clean up in ailse 13".
Seems like a slow death in process.
BTW ATC is his old baby and I can see why he would hang on to that personally. That was the name of the original site I think. In fact it is ailiased here. http://www.askthecaptain.com
 
Yeah, last new member was June 26th. How sad that Les has let this site go down the tubes. I saw Bob back here for a bit, but now even he's gone. I wonder where Menzies is now?
 
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Originally posted by Tim R

quote:
Originally posted by boatbum

The poll is too polarized so I didn't vote. The choices don't address the poll question adequately. If moderation improved would that correct the worst of the issues? Or, if new id registration improved beyond the non existent manual method would that correct issues. I sort of lump new ID registration into the moderation category since it is a form of control.

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Do you really think the site is better now that it is not moderated??? Look at all the garbage threads on ATC (including this one). Look at all the sniping between people, the political pontificating. Even a boating-related thread (How does this happen?) descended into nonsense.

In the past 10 days, there are not even enough new threads on ATC to fill up one page. Where are all the new boaters who use to come around here looking for advice, which we all took such pride in providing. Be honest with yourself... if you were a new boater and visited this forum, would you stick around or head for the hills???

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I was not incinuating that it was better or worse, I was suggesting different selections of sentiment for the poll.
 
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Originally posted by Harlan

You couldn't run the 36 whiners off with a stick. They'll stay just to have something to belly ache about. I see 36 people who need to lighten up and enjoy life.

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So if you find that the service or food at your favorite store or restaurant that you have been going to for years starts to go down hill a bit or the food changes and isn't quite as good as it was, you'd just keep your month shut and not say a word to the owners? Or would you pull they aside and and say, "Hey, as a long term customer I just thought you might be interested to know....".

I think most businesses want customer feed back. And in fact encourage it. It's one of the most important ways for them learn how good a job they are doing servicing their existing customers and hopefully attracting new ones at the same time.

I also don't think a responsive business owner would consider any good long term customer that offers constructive criticism/feed back to be whining or belly aching.

And if more than one long term customer, or even some new ones, were saying or suggesting similar things, I'd expect that owner to really give some serious consideration to what is being offered as feed back.

After all, good word of mouth is priceless for a business.
 
On the question of where is Les and moderation of the forum in general, I see that the infamous Bob Louderback was posting again as RO “knotme” but that now his posts have all been deleted. Someone is doing moderation and I would think that only Les would delete him again given their history.

Also, the posting stats say that Les hasn’t posted to the forum since 2009; can that be right?
 
Whats up guys

wanted to see how far back my RO # was.
 
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Originally posted by HarlenW

On the question of where is Les and moderation of the forum in general, I see that the infamous Bob Louderback was posting again as RO “knotme” but that now his posts have all been deleted. Someone is doing moderation and I would think that only Les would delete him again given their history.
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I'd bet Bob deleted his own posts.
 
LOL, probably by mistake. But I like Bob and shouldn’t tweak him since he can’t reply now.
 
If you don't like them, don't read them. Next, you'll be changeing your route home because some car you see every day has a bumper sticker you don't agree with.
 
I still post when I can think of something, but this is a sinking ship.
 
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Originally posted by Gregory S

If you don't like them, don't read them. Next, you'll be changeing your route home because some car you see every day has a bumper sticker you don't agree with.

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That is a load of bullsh*t. Keeping everything (sig lines included) related to boating fosters a boating-related educational environment without putting off other people. If we can't do that, then I agree this is a sinking ship.

I personally don't have a problem with respectful political discourse, and respectful political sig lines. But tolerating bigotry and hatred doesn't fall in the category of "don't read it if you don't like it."

Things like muslim / bacon sandwich and black house are not political discourse; they display bigotry. I wouldn't passively tolerate it from my friends in "real life", and I wouldn't passively ignore it here. Neither should you.
 
Have you looked up the definition of bigotry? In case you haven't here it is-
stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Get off my a$$ about what you tolerate and what you don't.
 
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Originally posted by JoeBTB

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Originally posted by Gregory S

If you don't like them, don't read them. Next, you'll be changeing your route home because some car you see every day has a bumper sticker you don't agree with.

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That is a load of bullsh*t. Keeping everything (sig lines included) related to boating fosters a boating-related educational environment without putting off other people. If we can't do that, then I agree this is a sinking ship.

I personally don't have a problem with respectful political discourse, and respectful political sig lines. But tolerating bigotry and hatred doesn't fall in the category of "don't read it if you don't like it."

Things like muslim / bacon sandwich and black house are not political discourse; they display bigotry. I wouldn't passively tolerate it from my friends in "real life", and I wouldn't passively ignore it here. Neither should you.

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Sounds rather "bigoted" to me...
 
ITK-
Your sig line is fine, it doesn't contain the words muslim or bacon sandwich.
 
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Originally posted by Harlan

Get off my a$$ about what you tolerate and what you don't.

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Nope, not gonna do it. At least not while I'm here.

But don't worry, I'll be gone soon, as will others who find this board more toxic than informative these days. I'm sure I won't be missed. I'm also sure that driving away contributors isn't a good way to sustain BoaterEd.
 
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