Frankenstorm

Do whatever you think is smart. All good advice. Err on the side of caution. If you have the time and ability, secure the boat however you feel will protect her best.

Let's just hope they are overplaying this storm like all the others. Meteorologists have the best jobs. They can be wrong EVERY DAY and not have an issue. I know if I constantly made wrong predictions I'd be out of clients!
 
Yes there is fear mongering, but a fact of life of hurricanes, is that they are just not that predictable. For Irene, we got 55-60 mph winds, the boats that were in the water appeared fine to me, in my harbor they are mostly all on moorings so they can freely move with the wind and waves. We did have many big trees down and lost power for 3-6 days, depending on where you live. I pulled the boat then and I pulled it again today, why take a chance esp with a small boat easy to trailer.
 
We are having our boat pulled and winterized today. It's an early close up for my wife and I. Better safe then sorry. Most tracks have our area as a direct hit or in the NE corner, either will be bad.
Bill
 
If this hits Jersey the surge may be rough on NYC and L.I..
 
The thing about Long Island is it is very flat.
So like Irene, the surge runs and fills in the island.
Bad for homes near the shore but good for the boats as the water level does not get super high.
Irene, Water came up about a foot over the bulkhead, I don't think it can get much higher unless it is a sudden surge as the island will fill in.

My boat is on the south shore, my home is high and dry as my town is well above sea level on the north shore!
 
The other alternative is to go to ITKs marina. There not having a storm there. (g).
 
The media may be hyping this, it's true--they make money off of getting people to watch. On the other hand, the NWS doesn't make any money from hyping up dangerous weather. NHC is very good at predicting the track of tropical storms, not as good at predicting intensity. They are well aware of this and do worry about the cost of evacuations and preparations for storms that don't come up to expectations. This one looks like bad news to me, anybody who is just going by the Saffir-Simpson category numbers and isn't thinking about baroclinic factors or full moon tides is likely making a mistake. Google "Ash Wednesday Storm" if you want to have a look at a historical precedent, and that storm didn't have a hurricane component to it.
 
Current - the wife and I have been considering moving to the South Shore (to be on the water) and we've been hesitant for reasons like hurricanes.

How long have you been on the water, how close to open bay are you? Did you flood, more maintenance, bulkhead replacement costs, etc.

Can you give me some ideas as to how much more difficult or expensive it is b/c of living on the water?

Any thoughts would be highly appreciated.

Thanks! If you need a hand readying the fort lemme know (give me a preview of what I'm looking forward to lol)
 
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Originally posted by Anchor Management

"It hasnt done much so far" because it is still out at sea. I certainly am not an alarmist nor do I profess to know more then the forecasters. Certainly it would be foolish to not prepare properly.






Protect the Cohiba's!!!!







Heading up tonight to double bag the humidor and tie a floatation device with an auto beacon. Hopefully if the boat goes down the cigars will be saved.
 
Mantle,
Re-read what I wrote. House is on North Shore. Boat is on South Shore.
I have also considered living down there but then I hear the horror stories of people who flood.
I can't deal with floods.
 
just re-read that...was trying to catch up on the thread.

So you're in the same position as us. It's only the floods that prevent us from moving...
 
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Originally posted by carver 2557

The other alternative is to go to ITKs marina. There not having a storm there. (g).






Yeah, maybe we should send all of Cape May county N.J. up there.

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The Cape May County Emergency Management Office has issued voluntary evacuation orders for Friday and Saturday for the county’s barrier islands. Those evacuation orders will become mandatory on Sunday.





I sincerely hope it isn't that bad.
 
Mantle, you asked Dave, but many of us live on the water on the south shore.

Your best bet is to go out Tuesday morning at the peak tide and look at houses you might consider. Don't buy the ones that are flooded. But you probably aren't game for that approach. You might consider driving around a few days after and see who's having a "yard sale" of soggy carpet.

Anything built from the 70s on, people were figuring it out then and tended to build a little higher. My house was built in 72 and doesn't flood. It's up a foot or two from most of the neighbors. Older houses you have to watch. Look for water lines i.e. bathtub rings, especially in unfinished areas like garages. Look for boilers on cinder blocks. Look for fresh paint jobs.

Before I bought my house, I looked at a picture of the peak of the 92 storm, and saw where the water came on a dock ladder at a club I belong to. I measured from there to the water surface, then drove right to the house I was looking at and measured up from the water. Then eyeballed where that would come to. All sellers will say all houses don't flood. Mine turned out to be truthful.

Maintenance? No extra on the house. But don't buy anything for the yard made of steel. Powder coating looks nice the day you buy it but not soon after. Aluminum is your friend. So's wood.

Bulkhead is impossible to say. See if you can get someone knowledgeable to inspect it, like a dockbuilder but they tend to be busy guys. A regular house inspector may or may not know anything. Usually someone who is selling has not spent tens of thousands to get it redone so he can move and not get all his money back. Figure you may have to eat that job once, but if you do it with the right material, only once.

Your insurance costs may be triple what they are elsewhere. You probably need a specialty "non accepted" carrier for homeowners, the regular guys won't touch you unless you are very far in from the Bay. Plus flood. I understand flood could be higher now. I got mine before the flood maps changed so my rate is somewhat locked in. You want to research this carefully before making any bid on a house; I did and almost walked away.

Against this, free dockage for boats and the ability to see how they are doing 24/7 by looking out the window. No marina hassles. Many great quality of life enhancements that I would not trade.
 
I am on the North Shore of LI, we do get high winds but as far as floods, we are high above the water so we don't have to worry about that. The road in front of the boatyard will for sure flood if the storm hits at high tide. The road is barely above the water level at high. We do have a lot of trees though so wind damage is more of concern here. The South Shore does have the flooding risk and many communities were evacuated for Irene, if this storm is like that then they will probably evacuate again. We have taken down a few big trees the past few years just for this reason.
 
Mantle

I agree with everything Ron says. Get familiar with the FEMA term BFE (base flood elevation). Find a house that is at or above the BFE for the area. You get a huge flood insurance discount if you are above the BFE. If you look around and catch the insurance companies at the right time you can get a policy with a first rate carrier. That part is weird. I have Farmers and am a couple houses from the bay. My mother lives further from the bay but was cancelled by Sentry for no reason and she now has a non accepted carrier. You'll learn from your neighbors what plants can handle occasional saltwater immersion. For instance fescue grass wont die after a flood but i see that blue grass has a hard time coming back.

Alot of people love the marina lifestyle for the social aspect. There is always someone at the dock looking to hang out. Thats a drawback of waterfront living, but thats about it. Easy to pack for a trip, you can gas up with jerry cans if u want, no marina rules about bringing in your own mechanic. I love it.
 
The social aspect of the marina is what keeps me from doing it.
When you live on the water you miss that.
I think if I did, I would still keep my boat in a marina and have small boat behind the house.
 
Guys, thank you so much for the good advice. It's always been a dream to live on the water. We don't need to move, have a lovely house now, good schools, yard etc...

We've been looking but are being very particular. The inspection and the BFE are great things to really pay attention to. I'm glad to hear normal maintenance isn't an added issue, but rather that flooding seems to be the main concern. I guess that's something you insure against and try to buy a property high enough not to really incur water damage.

Ay other big items I should consider. The appeal of a boat and sunset in the backyard is tremendous, but it has to outweigh the potential disaster it could bring...
 
For whatever its worth, we've just been notified that we are at hurricane condition 3.
 
Dave I agree with you on the social aspect. I spent 6 years behind my cousins house in Freeport. Very boring. I really enjoy the marina life. I dont even have to leave the dock sometimes always someone to talk too.
Al
 
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