No Discharge Zone

mixman

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For recreational vessels, a No Discharge Zone (NDZ) designation specifically prohibits:
 
The correct answer is "C". An NDZ prohibits the discharge of treated waste/sewage. The discharge of untreated waste/sewage (within 3nm) has been prohibited via the Clean Water Act of 1972.

Sadly, while 41% of those who responded got it right, 52% got it wrong. I personally feel this is how NDZs come about in the first place. Most people think "boaters shouldn't be able to dump raw sewage!" But that's been illegal since 1972. The only thing NDZ does is outlaw USCG and EPA approved Type I and II treatment systems.
 
I'm reminded of the movies Groundhog Day and The Hunt for Red October, I'll reserve comments for later.....
Kurt, you've done it again!
Bill
 
Bill, it happens every morning, just about sun up.
 
Well if Pete and repeat are in a boat and Pete falls out, who is going to row to shore
 
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Originally posted by jmeirhofer

Well if Pete and repeat are in a boat and Pete falls out, who is going to row to shore





Pete Moss?
 
If there's nobody around to see you, no boats, homes or businesses, what does it matter?

And who is going to collect the evidence?

It's only illegal if you get caught. ;)
 
Some of us, Ron, prefer to do the "right" thing and not pollute our waterways. Are pump-outs or a Type I MSD too inconvenient or expensive for you?
 
I think Ron's primary cruising area allows for the discharge of treated waste from an approved type 1 or 2 MSD.
Bill
 
Nowhere did I state that I dump my holding tank in prohibited areas, only that one is unlikely to get caught doing so if one uses a little stealth.

My slip neighbor empties his in his slip when he returns from a day of boating. People at the locaq boat ramp (they don't provide restrooms around here) jump in the water or climb down the swim ladder to pee or pooh.
 
I can't answer the poll question :(. A NDZ does not allow the discharge of treated or untreated black water.
 
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Originally posted by mixman

Some of us, Ron, prefer to do the "right" thing and not pollute our waterways. Are pump-outs or a Type I MSD too inconvenient or expensive for you?






mixman, your post is nothing more than an asinine attempt at a personal insult. Something that should not be allowed here.

It seems the Internet has killed off civility in this country. People hiding behind a keyboard and an anonymous screen name feel free to post insults and other things that they would never say in person. It appears you have become one of these people.
 
It seems the Internet has killed off civility in this country. People hiding behind a keyboard and an anonymous screen name feel free to post insults and other things that they would never say in person. It appears you have become one of these people.

Said the anonymous person in their Internet post. LOL
 
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Originally posted by rawidman

mixman, your post is nothing more than an asinine attempt at a personal insult. Something that should not be allowed here.

It seems the Internet has killed off civility in this country. People hiding behind a keyboard and an anonymous screen name feel free to post insults and other things that they would never say in person. It appears you have become one of these people.





You said:

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If there's nobody around to see you, no boats, homes or businesses, what does it matter?

And who is going to collect the evidence?

It's only illegal if you get caught.





To me that sounds like bad advice. Is bad advice part of this "hiding behind a keyboard" you refer to? I didn't call you any names. I "attacked" your post, not you personally. At least I didn't use the word "asinine".
 
quote:

Originally posted by Neverending

I can't answer the poll question :(. A NDZ does not allow the discharge of treated or untreated black water.





I was trying to word it the best way I could come up with. EPA doesn't use the term "black water", and once treated it would no longer be "black water" I would think? EPA actually uses "sewage". I guess I should have used that. However, you're in the minority that got the question right!
 
quote:

Originally posted by rawidman

My slip neighbor empties his in his slip when he returns from a day of boating.





I would be very tempted to make a call to natural resources police or at least give the marina office a bit of grief.

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People at the locaq boat ramp (they don't provide restrooms around here) jump in the water or climb down the swim ladder to pee or pooh.






Two thumbs down for the no restroom thing. That's not very accommodating. But if they're getting in the water to do their business they're actually legal believe it or not.
 
I'm still waiting on the number of fecal bacteria and VSD's from a beach full of children and well older people the one's in the SNL skit "Op's I crapped my pant's".
Bill
 
There's little difference between a group of people peeing or pooping directly into the water and a private boater emptying his holding tank directly into the water except for the legal issue. It's all "poop" and as we know, everybody poops. We cerainly don't want the QE II dumping its holding tank in the harbor, but a few gallons of diluted, mascerated waste from a few private boats gets lost in the billions of gallons of water in the river and the waste from marine life. I would be far more concerned with those who dump oil from their bilges into the water and the towns and cities who allow overflows of raw sewage into the water. The local Air Force base has had several "sewage "accidents" where thousands of gallons of raw sewage entered the river upstream from my marina. Where's the EPA and its goons when that happens?

I'm not suggesting or recommending that anyone empty their holding tanks into the waterways, but it's very common among boaters. Also common is the "bucket and chuck it" method where one pees or poops into a bucket and then dumps it overboard. At least waste and paper that's been through a holding tank is macerated before being dumped. You won't see floating turds.
 
I don't think macerated untreated waste should be dumped within 3 miles of the coast. I would rather the EPA take an open minded approach to type 1 and 2 treatment systems. I do have a problem with the current rules as they apply to modern MSD treatment systems. It encourages the catch me if you can mentallity we see here on the board and in real life.
Bill
 
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