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2 late model used very clean, low hrs,36ft convertibles, one twin gas engines, the other volvo ips diesel. what would the price difference be?
thanks in advance.
 
Depends on what shape they are in, what brand of engines, number of hours and extras. Normally, the diesels will sell for more.
 
What is "low hrs? A gas engine with 1000 hours is not "low", while a diesel with 1000 hrs IS low. What size engines? If you really want an answer to your question, be specific.
 
Like hogan says hard to say without more details, too many variables. However on a late model boat I would guess somewhere between 30k to 50k for the diesel option. A lot of the up front costs can be recovered during resale
 
I will bite.

If both boats are identical in every item except motors, I would say about $30K - $50K used.
Probably closer to $80K when new!
But then there is the resale value. A good deal on a diesel will net more than a good deal on gassers in 5 years.

Just my .02.
 
As stated too many variables!
I know I saw a repo 36 with IPS about a year ago it looked real clean but as a repo it may have sold for less than a gas model for sale by owner.
 
My current experience in selling a gas boat that I was competing against diesels that 30 to 50 is on the high side. I would suggest going on yachtworld and looking at a couple models in that size to see asking prices. I havent looked in a while but the Silverton 36C had both as options and I'm quite sure they were less then 30k apart. Of course you have to take everything with a grain of salt as asking prices can range greatly but you should be able to use this as a starting point. If you know any dealers, they have access to boats sold which is far more useful
 
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What is "low hrs? A gas engine with 1000 hours is not "low", while a diesel with 1000 hrs IS low. What size engines? If you really want an answer to your question, be specific.

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1000 hours on some Volvo 4 cylinder diesels is not low.
1000 hours on some Volvo 6 cylinder diesels is low.

I would have guessed a premium of 15-20K per side for diesel if the hours AND age is low, and were not talking sportfish with big MAN diesels, etc.

Used to be I could ask a broker to pull a "sold boats" report from yacht world if they subscribed. Nothing like looking at real data. I'm not a fan of most guide books on boats, they don't get sufficient numbers to manage the variability of the data itself, which on boats that are rarely homogenous, is a huge factor.

36 feet is getting pretty large for gas. There may be more of a market based (as opposed to cost based) premium for diesel in this transition size range given the gas engines may be perceived as insufficient or just too uneconomical to run with today's fuel prices.

Welcome to boats, forever a tradeoff. Comps will be king, you just have to find them and account for the lack of uniformity in each vessel.
 
If I were to buy another Silverton 36 C, I would go with gas. I kept up with all Cruisers on trips and burned 35 gallons per hour. Diesels in this boat would have been a waste of money.
 
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If I were to buy another Silverton 36 C, I would go with gas. I kept up with all Cruisers on trips and burned 35 gallons per hour. Diesels in this boat would have been a waste of money.

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Exactly, unless you were cruising up and down the east coast, diesels would have been a waste of money.
 
Everybody's focusing on the motors but I think the IPS might have a significant impact.
 
If anyone knows about this it would be Vided I'm not sure what I'm missing here. He owned one in the past and should know the answers to his questions from his own experience I not sure I understand the point of this thread. Vided what's going on are you thinking of buying the same boat again?

http://www.boatered.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=131674
 
it's a heated topic of discussion with a few people and they consider my opinion slightly
skewed. so i figured i'd ask the question on boatered to get a few opinions.
with ips i'd tack 75k to the price(begin screaming now :) )
i was very impressed with the volvo system, but next time around i'd go with straight shafts.
thanks for the feedback
 
Vided I don't think you are far off but I thinking that is closer to the difference in price new and used more like $50K. How much extra did you pay when you bought yours new?
 
To each their own. That's why they make different flavor ice cream. I felt this boat managed very nicely with straight shafts and gas. Didn't really need the bow thruster but it was nice to have in high winds. I would take that 75k and spend it elsewhere.
 
Hank not everyone has your skill set! A beginner or child and hate to put this out there but my wife could dock that boat with IPS with very little practice, my wife is too scared to even try to dock my boat and yet I find it easy
 
I wouldn't even consider a gasoline/ actually here is the bigger rub, "Ethanol" powered boat compared to diesel power.
Volvo 4 cylinder diesels should be as reliable as 6 cylinder diesels if they are run within the engine limits and properly propped.
I wouldn't want Volvo's they have a reputation for being expensive to maintain.
I'd prefer engines that are known to get 20,000 hours plus but that leaves out many of the new high tier emissions turbo charged diesel engines.
Since it looks like the conversation might revolve around powering a Silverton 34C I would think they would be powered by Cummins marine diesels?
Cummins have a good reputation for reliability and easy parts availability.
Bill
 
As a Volvo 4 cylinder IPS owner I can tell you its a great powerplant.
Not sure I understand where the D4 differs much from a D6 other than cylinders.
The 4 puts out 300HP, add in IPS and you get 400hp.
The 6 does not add much more HP but alot more weight.

Cost wise, IPS costs more in oil and maintenance but its not that much more when compared to shaft maintenance items like seals and zincs.
The big advantage obvious is manueverability and fuel savings.
The fuel savings is somewhat offset by the maintenance.
Put it all together and it comes down to the manueverability.
I got pretty good with my gas shaft driven boat at docking, but there was still those windy days where I would pucker up and be concerned. With IPS, those fears are gone. I have docked in spots where no shaft boat can go, moving sideways into gas docks with less than 4 feet front and back!

IPS is the future, like it or not.
 
All interesting but I doubt I would be holding on to a boat for 20,000 hours. I have had 7 gas powered boats and never had a problem. Again, I would use the extra money and spend it more wisely. Like adding a second Furuno unit, autopilot, SAT TV, dinghy ramp blah, blah, blah.....and then sell 6 months later. :)
 
Diesels like this are not going to go anywhere near 20K hours, or even 20K gallons of fuel. Sorry to pick on you, but I get rattled any time I hear somebody reference the diesel life span myth. It once might have been true on a workboat, not a recreational boat that sits, but modern turbo diesels are not the same animal. Good engines, sure, but still lets not compare to an old school naturally aspirated engine that is not asked to deliver close to its potential, and is also in a setting that gets daily attention.

Biggest issue with Volvo? If the dealer decides Volvo is not supporting them, as a customer Volvo will not support you and the customer gets screwed with full knowledge of Volvo. For that reason alone I would never own one again. I think the engineering is cool, but best admired on someone else's boat without the personal risk.
 
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