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I winterized my boat in NC why? I feel like we never had a winter here. Better safe than sorry I guess
Thanks Global warming
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All of the winter stayed in Alaska this year. There was some type of "weather system" that put up a wall and did not let the cold make its normal trip south. That is why Alaska had a worse than normal winter.
George
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Stayed in Alaska -- and Europe. Buddy of mine was in Munich in mid Feb - below zero (F) most days . . . way cold for that location.
It seems anicdotes on global warming are always local, not global . ....
It seems anicdotes on global warming are always local, not global . ....
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First of all, I'm not some nut job, tree hugging environmentalist who keeps a portrait of Al Gore over my bed.
I'm not advocating anything.
All I'm saying...I've seen enough satelite photos of the polar ice caps (TV, internet, newsmedia, etc.) to see that the ice caps are a lot smaller now than they were 20-30 years ago. And yes rommer, I do realize the Artic ice cap is a lot smaller in July than it is in February. And guess what, I'm even smart enough to know that the Antartic ice cap is a lot smaller in February than it is in August.
And pdecat..."So what?" when enough ice melts that the ocean levels rise another 10-15 inches as expected, there's going to be a lot of land that will no longer be inhabitable.
I'm not advocating anything.
All I'm saying...I've seen enough satelite photos of the polar ice caps (TV, internet, newsmedia, etc.) to see that the ice caps are a lot smaller now than they were 20-30 years ago. And yes rommer, I do realize the Artic ice cap is a lot smaller in July than it is in February. And guess what, I'm even smart enough to know that the Antartic ice cap is a lot smaller in February than it is in August.
And pdecat..."So what?" when enough ice melts that the ocean levels rise another 10-15 inches as expected, there's going to be a lot of land that will no longer be inhabitable.
Actaully concern about polar ice caps melting will have NO impact on sea levels. Anyone who has done a simple experiment with ice cubes in a glass of water know that the water level does NOT rise as the ice melts since the ice cubes displace exactly the same amount of water will result when they melt. Now if you had complained that the ice sheets on Greenland melting would cause a problem you might have had a point. But any floating ice that melts in the Arctic will have absolutely NO impact on sea levels.
Mike
Mike
Most of the ice on Antarctica covers land, not floating. However, I don't think a relatively small raise in temp will effect the South ice.
The reports I have seen show the greatest threat is thermal expansion of water due to higher temps. This could account for a 20inch rise in 100 yrs or so
The reports I have seen show the greatest threat is thermal expansion of water due to higher temps. This could account for a 20inch rise in 100 yrs or so
Mike is correct. Furthermore the earth goes through temperature cycles of varying duration and has been generally in a warming cycle since the last ice age ended about 17,000 years ago. So what? Humans have to get over ourselves, not everything that happens is our responsibility.
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I did not mean to open a can of worms here. I was not complaining in the least. My divorce ater 25 year marriage is finally complete. My new Girl Friend has never been on a boat oh what shall we do? Evil grin
For the OP:
Buy her this book
http://www.amazon.com/The-Perfect-First-Mate-Recreational/dp/1574090836
But not this one
http://www.amazon.com/Power-Boating-Dummies-Randy-Vance/dp/0470409568/ref=pd_sim_b_3
Buy her this book
http://www.amazon.com/The-Perfect-First-Mate-Recreational/dp/1574090836
But not this one
http://www.amazon.com/Power-Boating-Dummies-Randy-Vance/dp/0470409568/ref=pd_sim_b_3
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Thanks getakey
I'm not so sure most of us will be pushing daisies by the time global warming makes a significant impact. Incontrovertible scientific evidence exists right now that supports climate change. But even if that were to be true, most of us would agree that we want to leave the world a better place for our kids, grandkids, great grandkids, etc.
I am a long time believer in global warming. Last night my wife and I went to a lecture by author Elizabeth Kolbert, which motivated me to write.
Trying to change the minds of climate change deniers is not my intent. If there are people out there who are still undecided about this issue, I offer this information in the hopes that it may help in their decision making process.
Here is a list of organizations that accept anthropogenic global warming as real and scientifically well-supported:
NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS): http://www.giss.nasa.gov/edu/gwdebate/
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA): http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm
National Academy of Sciences (NAS): http://books.nap.edu/collections/global_warming/index.html
State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC) – http://www.socc.ca/permafrost/permafrost_future_e.cfm
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA): http://epa.gov/climatechange/index.html
The Royal Society of the UK (RS) – http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/page.asp?id=3135
American Geophysical Union (AGU): http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/climate_change_position.html
American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/climatechangeresearch_2003.html
American Institute of Physics (AIP): http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR): http://eo.ucar.edu/basics/cc_1.html
American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/jointacademies.html
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS): http://www.cmos.ca/climatechangepole.html
Every major scientific institution dealing with climate, ocean, and/or atmosphere agrees that the climate is warming rapidly and the primary cause is human CO2 emissions.
In addition, two leading political figures- George W. Bush and John McCain also recognize climate change. Here is a McCain video from 2007! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQMxIwpK_es
I believe we really need to do something about this, starting with President Obama.
Peter
I am a long time believer in global warming. Last night my wife and I went to a lecture by author Elizabeth Kolbert, which motivated me to write.
Trying to change the minds of climate change deniers is not my intent. If there are people out there who are still undecided about this issue, I offer this information in the hopes that it may help in their decision making process.
Here is a list of organizations that accept anthropogenic global warming as real and scientifically well-supported:
NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS): http://www.giss.nasa.gov/edu/gwdebate/
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA): http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm
National Academy of Sciences (NAS): http://books.nap.edu/collections/global_warming/index.html
State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC) – http://www.socc.ca/permafrost/permafrost_future_e.cfm
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA): http://epa.gov/climatechange/index.html
The Royal Society of the UK (RS) – http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/page.asp?id=3135
American Geophysical Union (AGU): http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/climate_change_position.html
American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/climatechangeresearch_2003.html
American Institute of Physics (AIP): http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR): http://eo.ucar.edu/basics/cc_1.html
American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/jointacademies.html
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS): http://www.cmos.ca/climatechangepole.html
Every major scientific institution dealing with climate, ocean, and/or atmosphere agrees that the climate is warming rapidly and the primary cause is human CO2 emissions.
In addition, two leading political figures- George W. Bush and John McCain also recognize climate change. Here is a McCain video from 2007! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQMxIwpK_es
I believe we really need to do something about this, starting with President Obama.
Peter
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Well peter for every "scientific" study you can trudge up stating humans are the cause of climate change I would be willing to bet any one here could find an opposing viewpoint that did not include the falsification of documents to protect their funding.
I have said this before and will again. If climate change was believed by all the worlds scientists (not just those funded by the US), we would be doing one or more of the following
- Building nuclear power plants around the world as well as every region in the US.
- using hydrogen (a by product of nuclear power) to power commercial fleet vehicles including over the road trucks, trains and coastal marine vessels.
- supporting the development of service station to dispense hydrogen to these vehicles. Hydrogen can be stored in much the same way as petroleum fuels.
- eliminating private transportation in major cities throughout the world by increasing public transportation infrastructure.
- remove the cost burden of public transportation for consumers making it attractive to use
- build apartment complexes with the requisite businesses for day to day living next to major factories reducing travel needs for workers and their families. Create incentives for companies to build these and for the people to live there. That includes employment preferences for the non factory jobs for the families that live there.
If climate change were real, we as a world would have gotten behind it by now and followed through on some of these things. But the fact is to much of the documentation has been skewed to keep the funding coming in for research on what they already say they know. If it really is true, why are they still researching it rather than spending those research dollars on building infrastructure that will stop or slow it down?
It is a money making scam that pisses me off because I did not think of it first. There is money to be had in guilt, just ask the catholic church.
I have said this before and will again. If climate change was believed by all the worlds scientists (not just those funded by the US), we would be doing one or more of the following
- Building nuclear power plants around the world as well as every region in the US.
- using hydrogen (a by product of nuclear power) to power commercial fleet vehicles including over the road trucks, trains and coastal marine vessels.
- supporting the development of service station to dispense hydrogen to these vehicles. Hydrogen can be stored in much the same way as petroleum fuels.
- eliminating private transportation in major cities throughout the world by increasing public transportation infrastructure.
- remove the cost burden of public transportation for consumers making it attractive to use
- build apartment complexes with the requisite businesses for day to day living next to major factories reducing travel needs for workers and their families. Create incentives for companies to build these and for the people to live there. That includes employment preferences for the non factory jobs for the families that live there.
If climate change were real, we as a world would have gotten behind it by now and followed through on some of these things. But the fact is to much of the documentation has been skewed to keep the funding coming in for research on what they already say they know. If it really is true, why are they still researching it rather than spending those research dollars on building infrastructure that will stop or slow it down?
It is a money making scam that pisses me off because I did not think of it first. There is money to be had in guilt, just ask the catholic church.
John,
Could you please provide links which would offer proof of falsification of documents to protect the funding of the 13 agencies, 3 of which are non-US based, listed?
You feel this whole issue is a conspiracy, I get that.
I agree with many of the suggestions you stated for improving the situation. And perhaps they are still doing research in the hopes that somehow climate change deniers will eventually deal with reality. But my guess is that if skeptics are not convinced by now, they never will. You and I will just have to disagree.
But who in this world do you think wields more power- the corporations that run America and stand to continue to profit by unrestricted growth or some scientist sitting in an office in Woods Hole, Massachusetts? I believe that corporations are much better at money making scams than scientists.
Peter
Could you please provide links which would offer proof of falsification of documents to protect the funding of the 13 agencies, 3 of which are non-US based, listed?
You feel this whole issue is a conspiracy, I get that.
I agree with many of the suggestions you stated for improving the situation. And perhaps they are still doing research in the hopes that somehow climate change deniers will eventually deal with reality. But my guess is that if skeptics are not convinced by now, they never will. You and I will just have to disagree.
But who in this world do you think wields more power- the corporations that run America and stand to continue to profit by unrestricted growth or some scientist sitting in an office in Woods Hole, Massachusetts? I believe that corporations are much better at money making scams than scientists.
Peter