Trojan 440 Upgrades, Fixes and Ideas

I had a fresh water leak that ran through there but other then this there is now reason to have water above the level bilge area. I don't know that I would waste time painting.
 
Yes, I get a little water in my starboard aft compartment. I have no idea how it gets there. I put a perforated mat down that keeps everything above any water. It never gets more than about 1/8"
 
Thanks. Thast is kind of what I thought. The port side I have not been in yet but the starboard side is bone dry. It is fairly clean but kind of dull. I am just painting because I like bright and shiney.

Any idea where the water comes from? I do get water in my center bilge. I have pretty much narrowed it down to it has to be coming from the anchor locker. It only gets water when it rains and that is the only place water could get into the center bilge.
 
Your flooring looks great and you will be very happy with it. I put in laminate floor in mine years ago. Wish I had some of the new flooring available now, anyway I have a little swelling in some places and may replace it one day and then make access to more storage. I trimed my hatch to the holding tank with a skinny aluminum molding due to the laminate edge. I can't belive you don't want easy access to that tank. I check the level often since I dont trust the sending unit and I have a fresh air pump for the tank I check(no chemicals, and it ventilate the bilge too) plus I spray the inside of the tank every so often.

Odvar
 
I would still have access to the holding and water tank. Instead of lift u hatch it would be a screwed down hatch.
 
i have about 2.5k sq ft of bamboo in my house. it's a great material for flooring. very durable, and stays relatively clean. don't use cleaning products with wax in them. gotta keep panda bears away too.
 
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Any idea where the water comes from? I do get water in my center bilge. I have pretty much narrowed it down to it has to be coming from the anchor locker. It only gets water when it rains and that is the only place water could get into the center bilge.

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John,
Check the caulking around the wiring and hoses that enter through the fiberglass wall in the anchor locker. Most likely the water is running on them and then drops into the center bilge.
I think the condensation from both air conditioners do not drain in the center bilge.
 
Bob - that is where I am thinking it comes from too. I know the AC drain into the shower sumps. I plan to install the mermaid condensator to eliminate this over winter.

When I was looking in the anchor locker I noticed there is a shelf. Water drains from the deck onto this shelf and is supposed to go out through the anchor roller hole. Well that would hold an inch or so of water before it drains. Which has rotted the board. Now rain water runs into the anchor locker and straight down into the bilge. Or so is my belief. I plan to rebuild the shelf in the spring and put a drain in it at the lowest point and connect it to an overboard discharge.
 
After 2 solid days of work. I finally have all the old flooring removed and can access all of the hatches. After debating how easy it would to get the old floor perfectly smooth vs. using a sub-floor I decided to use a sub-floor so there is a bit of the old sub floor I left. I went as far as I needed to access all of the hatches. Two hatches had a bit of sand in but completely dry and otherwise clean(starboard side). Hatch in the guest suite was always open so no suprise there. My center hatches over the water and waste tank are just dirty. Presumably from the water that accumulates in there dragging dirt in with it. I did find out where that comes from BTW. And the galley hatch which was damp and had mold or algea growing in it. All around nasty looking in there and needs some serious cleaning. Hard to tell how many times it has had water in it over the years. When I bought the boat the aft shower sump was not working. And the air was running when we went on the sea trial. That is where the saloon air drains to. So with it not working, I am sure water discharged out of it and into the bilge regularly. It appears there has been a few inches of water in there at times. And since owning the boat, I have no doubt forgot to leave it turned on occasionally. And for the center bilge. I found the water to be coming from the anchor locker. Besides water from bringing the chain in, when it rains or you wash the deck, water runs foward to the hatch for the windlass and locker. It goes in there and about half will drain out of the pulpit and the other into the locker. Since the bilge pump sits on a platform and not all the way into the vee, there is usually about 2-3" of water in there. I would think that the anchor locker would have an overboard drain.

Next steps are to replace all of the waste hoses with a combination of new hose and PVC. Clean and paint all of the bilges, as well as figure out how to stop the anchor locker from draining into the center bilge.

BTW - For those that think this site is dead. Try not logging in for a couple days. There has to be at lease 100 new posts since I last signed in Thursday.

Nasty bilge off Galley
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This was a litte round hatch that would barely let you access the water pump. Under the carpet I found out it was actually a lot bigger. It will stay that way.
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Looking forward - Nice big hatches that will be able to be used now for stowage.
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Looking aft - You can see how badly pulling up the glued down sub-floor chewed up the wooden hatch cover. And where they made the cut mark prior to putting the carpet down.
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John
Am I seeing correctly, is your water pump and sump under the floor in the galley? My is under the small hatch in the guest room.

Looks like you are making headway! I haven't done anything yet this year, I just haven't been motivated since the storm. I have to get into gear if I'm going to work on the projects I was hoping to get to.
 
Dave - It is in the guest suite. When you pull up the carpet you will find that the small hatch is actually cut into a larger hatch. I intend to leave it as a larger hatch for easier access.

I have to get rolling on this. To many projects that need doing this winter and it is half over all ready. January will almost assuredly be to cold to do anything outside. Next weekend we are heading up to your neck of the woods to see the Nutcracker at the Lincoln Center. Taking the train up Saturday afternoon and back home Sunday morning. If the wife had more time off we would stay a couple days so we could meet up with and a few others in the area. Next thing you know it will be February and in March I dewinterize 8-)
 
I know what you mean about winter projects. I created a separate section on my to-do list for winter projects. In August or September I think to myself when there's snow on the ground outside I'll have endless hours available in the workshop for those deferred projects. Never seems to work out that way, time flies 365 days a year.
 
John in looking again I understand, I saw the cabinets and it looked like the galley. So what is under the galley floor? send or post a picture if you can. I usually have a 50 amp outlet right behind my boat but due to the storm this is not available making power and winter projects that much more difficult. Being I have repairs to make I may simply put off the hoses for Spring or maybe even an in water repair. The good news is my back has been doing much better so this may be something I can tackle myself. I would just hate to start and run into problems once I'm in the water I don't like much downtime!
 
The first picture of the new ones is the bilge area in front of the galley. Like I had said, it has had up to three inches of water in it before mist likely from the inoperative shower sump or since replacing it me forgetting to leave it turned on when running the AC. As dirty as this one is, I imagine the one behind the sump under the port fuel tank and the one forward of this under the master SR closet is as bad.

It helps that I am still in my slip. We have had a very mild winter so far. Only a few overnights in the mid thirties. I would not have had to winterize yet.

I will say my back is pretty sore after two 10+ hour days. And I am not really looking forward to doing the waste lines weekend after next but I look at it this way, colder means less stinky. Once the bilges are cleaned and the waste lines are done I can start laying in the sub floor.

A few other things I am going to do since everything is apart and before I put the floor in;
Mermaid condensators
HDMI cables from multimedia center to both televisions
Finish out the cupboard where the washer was with cedar
Refinish the inside of the window cubby holes
Add water filtration in the bilge under the stairs where it exits the tank and goes to the pump
Make a door and finish out the cupboard where the old held went to use for storage
Remove MSR held, make a door and install in led tele. And put a small safe in the back of that

Then I can finally lay in the new floor. I would,d like to take out the vanity too as it is just a space hog for us and we could use that space better. But I have not decided on that yet.
 
Looks like a great project, with a big payoff for next season! Good luck and keep taking pics for us!
 
I hate water inside the boat. Water going into the anchore locker from washing and the anchore was a pain until I made a stainless steel shield that sends the water out under the chain. I also built up the bottom of the chain locker so the water can drain out the weep hole. I just now replaced a T in the hotwater system that had a crack in it. When I replaced the fresh waterpump, the quiet variable speed kind, instruction said disconnect the expansion tank, I hope that does not make the pressure build too high in the water system. If I could keep the water out of the bilge in the garage I would be happier:)
The airpump for the holding tank moves any moist and stinky air out of the main bilge area.
 
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I hate water inside the boat. Water going into the anchore locker from washing and the anchore was a pain until I made a stainless steel shield that sends the water out under the chain. I also built up the bottom of the chain locker so the water can drain out the weep hole.
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Can you post pictures of it?
 
That sounds like a good solution to the anchor locker issue. Do you have any photos?

For the garage I plan on putting a thin automotive style gasket on the back side of the hatch. Everytime it rains or I wash the boat the water just runs in there. That should seal out a majority of it. Mine has had years of abuse from the water as well. That is a warmer weather job I will tackle in the early summer. Replacing the wood in there and cleaning that area up.
 
So I looked in the owners manual I have and it showed a thru hull on each side of the anchor locker. I then compared that with some photos and I do not see a single anchor locker drain. I am going to pull the chain out next weekend and see if I can figure it out. My issue may be the lack of drain for the anchor locker itself.
 
I have a small drain hole on both sides the don't drain well but they drain. I can't be sure that they weren't added.
 
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