Wakes

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Originally posted by BoatCrazy

Kurt, watch this video and tell me this trawler isnt throwing a decent wake and roller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiJ_G3rP1Jg

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I think we might be on the same page here and communication has broken down.

That's not a wake or a roller; it's a RIPPLE!

As I think I posted earlier on this topic, this might be a location-related issue. I'll try and post a video in the coming months of the wakes that I get mad at on the Chesapeake. They're a heck of a lot bigger than that video link. I'm talking about the breaking 3-4 footers that some people put off.
 
Really, my avitar suggests I have a go fast boat? Its a 17ft center console, and the other boat is a 90 310 Sundancer..Nothing "go fast" about a 17 center console.

You just contradicted yourself. One minute you tell me trawlers do not throw a wake, then you tell me my buddy is running his boat too fast and thats why hes throwing a huge wake. Hes got a 200hp perkins in the boat, WOT is 18-19knots, so hes not cruising too fast.

Great, congrats, that YOUR boat puts out a 6 inch wake, great. My 17 center console cant even do that. My searay throws a decent wake too, must be because its a poor design and a poor operator. Give me a fricken break. Its the nature of the beast!
 
Sorry, Tim, but your boat looks very long in your avitar. It wasn't meant as an insult.

I've sent you an e-mail. I do not mean to offend you. I am not talking about a rolling wake of a couple of feet. Rather, I am referring to wakes that are so large they break. Neither your boat, my boat, nor your friends' boat put off such a wake.

Again, I'm not here to offend.

Sheesh. I think I'll get a bow rider with a lawn mower for a generator and go to Block Island!
 
Really only an issue when rafted up. I only raft . . .OK most of us only raft out of obvious channels and well traveled coves. Common sense ain't so common. Being waked is part of boating, preferably not when rafted. That gets ugly.
 
Lets just get right to it, the size of the wake is in direct proportion to the likelihood of the vessel being a bayliner.
 
Much depends on the boat rather than the speed when talking wake. Safety is another issue. A 13' Whaler ore a bassboat scooting along create no significant wake. A sailboat underpower doing anything less than its hull speed creates no wake worth complaining about. A planing hull doing the same speed might be dragging a mountain of water behind it.

I treat situations as I find them. If you are fishing by the side of a busy channel, too bad. If you are randomly anchored out in an unrestricted area, I might adjust my course some but generally, too bad. If you are randomly rafted in an unrestricted area, except for watching an event in the area, too bad. If you are in a channel & don't slow down so that I can pass without creating much wake, too bad if you get rolled. If I see you next to a dock in an unrestriced area & will either pass at some distance or slow minimizing my wake when it gets to you. If you have ever rolled me at a dock by not extending similar courtesy, I won't get mad, but I will remember you & get even. If your sailboat race happens to cross my course I will modify my course to minimally interfere but & will not go around your course. If you are in an otherwise unrestricted area but it is a popular place for anchoring, such as a sandbar, I will pass at a distance or pass close & slow down. I honour all official restricted speed areas. If you have stuck up a 'no wake' sign on your dock on a busy waterway, too bad. You should have bought a house on a quiet canal.
 
Those Mainships are "trawler style" boats, not true trawlers which are a displacement design and do not plane. Of the more familiar brands, the Kadey Krogens and Nordhavns are trawler style boats with actual trawler bottoms. I still think of a trawler as a commercial fishing boat. Grand Banks? No. Fleming? No.. they have pretty much the same bottom as my Hatteras MY. The old Hatteras LRCs? Yes.

People anchored or drifting in the channel, especially an inlet are a big beef of mine. But it is not for me to punish them, any more than I would brush close at speed to someone walking across the freeway. Slow down and let them know what you think as nicely but sternly as you can. Sometimes coming in an inlet when poor planning on my part has me transiting at a bad time (like ebb tide against opposing wind), I cannot slow down or alter course safely and so sound five blasts on the big air horns.
 
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Originally posted by BoatCrazy

"IMHO: The size of a wake is directly proportional to how poor of a design a boat is."

In my opinion, that is the dumbest thing Ive read on this site in a long time. A hulls design is only part of what causes the size of a wake. So according to your statement, every trawler is a bad design? Trawlers tend to throw a decent size wake when at cruising speed.

Think about it, when the stern is "digging" down it will not only throw a larger wake, but it will cause decent size rollers as well.

If I am cruising in the channel and not in a 5mph zone, why should I slow down for boats that are either 1. anchored in the channel, 2. drifting in the channel and not under distress, 3 smaller boats than what I am running. Ill go around a sail boat that is under sail so I do not take the wind out of the sail.

If I had to slow down every time I was going to pass someone, I might as well never leave the dock. I am operating my boat in a responsible manner. Yes, I am responsible for my wake, which is why I tend to trim both boats out so I do not cause any more of a wake then what is needed.

Plus, if my wake is too big and it hurts someone, I can use Kurts logic and blame the manufactures poor hull design...

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Well put
 
Most people around here will slow down in tight quarters. Of course if you make a wake, chances are pretty good that you will be shot at.

Suspect in Classic shooting incident arrested
Associated Press — Aug. 14

BELLE CHASSE, La. — A man accused of shooting at the second-place finisher at the CITGO Bassmaster Classic tournament was arrested on Thursday, authorities said.

Dale J. Silbergnagel, 45, of Venice, La., was accused of shooting at Gary Klein on Aug. 3.

Klein told authorities on the final afternoon of the three-day tourney that a shirtless man fired what looked like a shotgun at his boat as he passed about 60 or 70 yards from a dock near the Camp Canal in Venice.

Silbergnagel was charged with two counts of aggravated assault and illegal discharge of a firearm, said Maj. John Marie, a spokesman for the Plaquemines Parish Sheriff's Office.

Silbergnagel was arrested at a downtown motel. Silbergnagel was taking classes to get a captain's license, Marie said.

"It's an isolated incident," Klein, 45, of Weatherford, Texas, told reporters on the day of the shooting. "It's the first time in my career that I've ever had that happen, and I have never heard of anyone else ever having that happen."

Plaquemines officials have speculated that Silbergnagel shot over Klein's boat after the pro angler opened up the engine on his boat and sped off down the canal.

Many camp owners get upset at boaters who go too fast and create wakes.

"I'm sure he will claim it was a warning shot," said Sheriff I.F. "Jiff" Hingle about Silbergnagel. "We don't want people to take the law into their hands. We wouldn't expect a citizen in a subdivision to shoot at someone speeding down their street."

He said that if people are upset at boats speeding they need to report the boats to authorities. Officials said the stretch of canal where the alleged shooting occurred was not a no-wake zone.

Klein, who was fishing his 21st Bassmaster Classic, has said he would press charges. "He needs to be taken care of," Klein said Aug. 3.

An ESPN cameraman was with Klein and filmed the suspect on a return trip.

In the video tapes, which were released to the public on Thursday, Silbergnagel is seen waving Klein past his camp after the pro angler slowed down, Marie said.

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For those who keep insisting that there are acceptable times to run close to another vessel and hit them with a large wake (2+ feet), would you do that if the other vessel was USCG or local law enforcement?
 
You have a point... But in my experience law enforcement are among the worst offenders.
 
The "responsible for your wake rule is not absolute." If you create a wake that knocks over 6 rare Waterford wine glasses on the table of the other guys boat, are you responsible? If you create a wake that swamps an overloaded kayak 1000 yards away are you responsible? Of course not to both. If you pass within 100 feet of a 16 foot bowrider and you knock him around enough he breaks his hip, you are responsible.

You are responsible for your wake to the extent that an admiralty court or other court of law will hold you resposible. If you think you might loose the case in court, slow down, if you think you could win, carry on. That usually makes you error to the side of caution and that is all that is needed.
 
I wonder if the power squadron is still teaching that it is absolute, despite laws to the contrary?
 
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Originally posted by stmbtwle

You have a point... But in my experience law enforcement are among the worst offenders.

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That's an entirely different topic :-)
 
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Originally posted by mixman

For those who keep insisting that there are acceptable times to run close to another vessel and hit them with a large wake (2+ feet), would you do that if the other vessel was USCG or local law enforcement?

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Sure. I see the loacl DEM boats anchored in the bay and I give them no special consideration than I would any other boat.

Been stopped to have my fish hold checked, but never once have they said anything to me about a wake.
 
ITK is full of soup. I was going to go on about that even more, but I won't be baited into a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Suffice it to say that he is trolling (no pun intended) for attention. The truth is that if he hit an LE's boat in a no wake zone with a 2 ft wake, he should expect to get a ticket - just like anyone else.
 
Apparently it is you who is unarmed with reading comprehension ability. Who said anything about a no wake zone? My post clearly stated the bay. Funny thing about no wake zones is that I tend to travel at no wake speed through them.
 
Now you took MY bait - hook, line, and sinker.

You carefully add or omit words, purposely trying to bait others into an arguement. Then you sit there a reload the page waiting for a response. It's in this and almost any other thread you insert yourself into. Why?

"You show them no special consideration" Of course what you meant to say is that you can pass them at 100 yards off in any bay without getting a second glance. But you wrote it in a thread about wakes and in such a way to imply close quarters. Now you go ahead and get close enough to that boat and throw a wake to get noticed, even in a bay, then see what happens.

In either case we all know you only post on here to argue.
 
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