BM vs Finese it II

If there is a product that gets the same results without the fear of turning your gel brown why not start and get experience that way?

That's like learning to drive in a Ferrari.
 
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Originally posted by Robyns Nest

That's like learning to drive in a Ferrari.

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...after someone tells you it's really easy and not dangerous!

I'm sorry Ghost, but I don't agree with your post after the first three words.
 
I started out with Finesse-it in the squirt bottle then switched to the one gallon can. Never had either come close to burning or burning thru. In my opinion it is more about learning how to properly use the buffer then it is about the polish, but having never used Buff Magic, I really dont have another apple to compare it to...
 
I have been using Buff Magic and Pro Polish for the last four years on my 97 Carver 355MY. I love the BM, but not impressed with PP. I want to get the best shine possible before the polish and it sounds like the Finesse-It might do the trick. How do you apply the Finesse-It to the hull, like BM where you put it on thin with a brush, or do you apply it to the yellow wool pad? Why yellow wool pads, I have been using white for BM? How do you put on and take off the Meguires Flagship wax?
Thanks
 
I put it on with a paint brush covering about a 2x2 area sparingly. However I use the gallon can stuff with is more of a paste than the bottle stuff. it doesnt dry out as fast. I use the white pads. I put on and remove the wax by hand.
 
If you are not getting a mirror finish with Buff Magic, something is wrong. You should be able to bring out the best shine with Buff Magic with nothing else.

Do what ghost says, have multiple pads handy and you should be able to get the boat to a mirror shine (provided the gel is decent) everytime.
 
Okay, I'm going to give Buff Magic a try on our boat. I go to BoatFix and there are two flavors of BM, white and pink. Which do I want? Outr boat is a 48 foot aft cabin with a cockpit, mildly oxidized; how much BM will I need? I assume that I can use Finesse It II afterward to get a really good shine and then follow up with a wax.
 
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Originally posted by Shadowcruzr

I started out with Finesse-it in the squirt bottle then switched to the one gallon can. Never had either come close to burning or burning thru. In my opinion it is more about learning how to properly use the buffer then it is about the polish, but having never used Buff Magic, I really dont have another apple to compare it to...

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I have to agree with Paul.
I've never had a problem with burning gelcoat with Finesse-It. And can't say I've ever heard that complaint about it before. I didn't even think you could. It's a very mild polish and pretty easy to use.

If you want to eliminate all chance of burning the gelcoat use a foam pad and a HD orbital like the Porter-Cable. Other wise use a foam pad on your rotary buffer.

Quite frankly, if your burning gelcoat with Finesse-It, you probably shouldn't be doing your own buffing.
 
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Originally posted by AbsoLoot

Okay, I'm going to give Buff Magic a try on our boat. I go to BoatFix and there are two flavors of BM, white and pink. Which do I want? Outr boat is a 48 foot aft cabin with a cockpit, mildly oxidized; how much BM will I need? I assume that I can use Finesse It II afterward to get a really good shine and then follow up with a wax.

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2 cans of pink.

Boats shouldn't need Finesse It afterwards.
 
Well, I just spent two full days using Buff Magic and PP. I got a nice shine with the BM but the PP is crap. I now have a milky haze on my entire boat and it looks like S..t. I can't put it in the water the way it looks. I can't believe my nice BM shine turned to a dull haze when I followed the directions to the "T." What do I do now? Should I use Dawn to get this crap off and start again using a wax? My arms are killing me form buffing and working the polish. Any CONSTRUCTIVE advice would be appreciated. BTW, I did not use too much product.
 
I buy the gallon container of Supercut or Finesse and fill up ketchup bottles before use. I apply to the hull thin bands about a foot apart. Makes life easy.

+1 for the comment about burning not being a factor of the product but of poor technique. Finesse is a very fine material, thus again my comment about being more worried about the supercut than the finesse.

White wool is for cutting, the yellow wool is softer and for polishing. Thus white for supercut and yellow for the finesse it. The finesse is a very delicate material, very little chance of hurting anything with a fluffy pad at any speed. Just watch for heat or bogging down. Let the pad and machine do the work, no need to bear down.

No prob if anyone wants to disagree, just stating what has worked. For me, the pads and the polish have taught me everything. Be observant and watch and listen to what the pads/product and machine is trying to tell you. Sounds funny but I swear the product itself will teach you everything you need to know.

I use collinite but my BIL uses rejex and I have to say it shines like crazy. But...no matter what the shiny is on the surface, you need to get the surface itself polished to get the best result. Best thing I know for polish is finesse.
 
For those not pleased with Pro Polish, I'd suggest trying Aurora Boat Shine. Its a polymer like Pro Polish not a wax. This year on my 21 year old boat I used Buff Magic followed by 2 coats of Boat Shine. This is the result;
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4479568&l=ed25ca26ad&id=553095833

I was going to try Pro Polish this year since I was trying the Buff Magic, but I had 3 bottles of Boat Shine and needed to use them up. After hearing of some disappointments I may not try it out. Next year I may try it on a small section for comparison to Boat Shine.

Shel
 
This is my second year with BM and PP and I think BM is the real hero of these two. I don't notice any difference in shine after putting on the PP. I feel good about it because as it says on the bottle it is a protectantsealant, which is a good thing.

Niles
 
Not sure how Pro Polish if applied to a well polished surface after Buff Magic , can leave a dull haze?????????
 
I hand buffed the entire front of my flybridge yesterday with Pro Polish, no machine this time around, no buff magic needed either. The Pro Polish brought out a great shine all by itself. I then put a top coat of Rejex.

Incredible shine.
 
Newbie509,
I hate to say this, but you are going to have to put PP back on and wipe it off wet. I just stated the other day that I love the BM, but not the PP. I am using PP just to use it up and ran into the same problem you did. I had a pretty good shine until I applied the PP. The hull was not in the sun and the humidity was low (perfect day for buffing and waxing, if there is a good day for it). After wiping the PP off, the hull was milky and looked as if I had water stains from applying the PP. Applied it and removed it by hand. I was not very happy. I reapplied the PP in 2x2 sections and wiped it off wet. Wasn't much fun, but that's what it took to get it looking almost as it did after the BM. The PP went directly to the garbage can. I sold three other boaters on BM and PP last year, and all three love BM, but hate PP. My $.02 worth.
 
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For me, the pads and the polish have taught me everything.
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Everything you know, perhaps. But best practice? Not yet.

Newb, as far as PP leaving a milky haze, I can't even find a theory to explain it. That makes no sense. Was the product evenly mixed? I wonder if you got a hold of a bottle that was old or had been frozen...?

Capt: it's true that using an orbital with Finesse It will eliminate the risk of burning, but it will also not only not achieve a fine shine, it can have a dulling effect.
 
I noticed this year that my older bottle of Pro Polish contents seem to be separating. I shake it very vigorously but when I shoot a little into the pad, it shoots out water or a clear liquid first. Constant shaking is the only thing that keeps everything in suspension.
 
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Capt: it's true that using an orbital with Finesse It will eliminate the risk of burning, but it will also not only not achieve a fine shine, it can have a dulling effect.

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If you say so. But I've been using Finesse-It with an HD orbital for years and never seen it dull out. Nor have I ever heard of that happening till now.
 
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