Shutdown

Like I said, I can do Google searches also.

Job loss/creation:

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2010/10/us_job_growth_and_loss_under_p.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2012/11/02/the-real-story-of-job-creation/
http://www.truthfulpolitics.com/htt...-s-job-creation-by-president-political-party/

So, let's not down play polls:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/public-blames-obama-gop/2013/10/09/id/530025

While you seem to think he is godlike, most of us differ with your opinion.

Look, I root for the man on a daily basis. I do not want him to fail. When he fails, it hurts our country. He wanted the job. He campaigned for it twice. He won twice. He took the oath twice. All of the problems became his responsibility on January 20, 2009. His biggest problem is that he has never accepted that responsibility. He won 53% to 45.5% in 2008 and 51% to 47% in 2012. ( http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/common/pop_vote.html ) among some of the closest elections in the last 70 years. Yet, he acts as though he won by a landslide.
 
Here is another result of Google Search Marcel

"Speaking to the February 2008 Congressional Committee on Financial Services hearing on the CRA, Sandra L. Thompson, Director of the Division of Supervision and Consumer Protection at the FDIC, lauded the positive impact of CRA, noting that, "studies have pointed to increases in lending to low- and moderate-income customers and minorities in the decades since the CRA's passage." She cited a study by the Joint Center for Housing Studies at Harvard University, that found that "data for 1993 through 2000 show home purchase lending to low- and moderate-income people living in low- and moderate-income neighborhoods grew by 94 percent – more than in any of the other income categories".[41]
In his statement before the same hearing, New York University economics professor Larry White stated that regulator efforts to "lean on" banks in vague and subjective ways to make loans is an "inappropriate instrument for achieving those goals." In a world of national banking enterprises, these policies are more likely to drive institutions out of neighborhoods. He stated that better ways to accomplish the goals would be vigorous enforcement of anti-discrimination laws, of antitrust laws to promote competition, and federal funding of worthy projects directly through an "on-budget and transparent process" like the Community Development Financial Institutions Fund.[90]"

Yeah, Clinton's affordable housing act (kind of like the affordable care act) nearly collapsed our economy and country. So yeah, lets try it again with healthcare.

I suppose you also believe your savior when he says increasing the debt ceiling doesn't increase debt. Or that he simply had a change of heart since his 2006 statement that it was irresponsible. Maybe you just think the man is the most brilliant con artist to ever have lived and you admire him for it. Or are you just unable to determine reality from the sound bites you listen to on MSNBC?
 
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I suppose you also believe your savior when he says increasing the debt ceiling doesn't increase debt.
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Umm, I think, actually, that Obama got that idea from this guy.

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Dick Cheney went a little overboard (as he was wont to do) when he said “deficits don’t matter,” and of course it was quite a hoot coming from a member of the party that has been haranguing us about deficits for half a century now whenever it suited their purposes to do so. But as hypocritical as he was being, he had a point. Today, the GOP has completely flipped on this point and is cynically hyping three fictions that will harm the economy—but (maybe) help them electorally.
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Actually, the full quote to his then Treasury Secretary was:

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You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due.
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He was saying that since the Republicans won the mid-term elections, they could run up the deficit all they wanted. And you can't run up deficits without running up our debt.

Google it.
 
To get back on topic, I'm sure that you coastal boaters are happy now that the government has opened up the oceans again.

I'm glad that they are opening Lake Mead in about 2 days, the shutdown really screwed up my fall boating schedule.

And according to Standard & Poors, the shutdown only cost $24 billion.

I guess we can just add that to the deficit.

It was well worth the effort to stop Obamacare. We showed him!!

I can't wait for the next shutdown.
 
Google what? That the treasury secretary is an idiot?

And I have no doubt the shut down cost money. When you pay folks to sit at home and you hire additional folks to then guard the things you closed for no reason while the others sit at home. It gets expensive real quick.

Obama is and will forever be the worst president in our history. His policies have cost the country trillions of dollars. And they have caused rampant inflation. So much so that retirement is now out of the grasp of the average person. Further stagnating the job market as people continue to work I to those 70s. He is making jimmy carter look like a genius.

Google it.
 
Marcel, perhaps you can explain why open-air monuments were closed - for the first time ever (even during prior shutdowns) - at a cost that exceeded what it would have had they been kept open. Perhaps you can explain why Obama tried to close PRIVATE monuments? Or why Obama closed the ocean... And why we are paying federal employees for the time they sat home. If we were going to pay them, why weren't they at work?

I'll wait
 
It is worse than nothing being solved. The government was just given a blank check until February. There is no cap on the raise to the debt ceiling. Basically it is whatever they can spend from now until Feb.
 
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Nothing was solved here. It was just kicked down the road for three months.

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Well if anything good is coming out of this political football it's showing that kicking the can down the road is buying the government less time. The can's been kicked for decades now we are down to putting off dealing with reality to basically a quarter or a few months. Like this will resolve anything? What happened to Simpson Bolles? The current administration and the majority party didn't enact one piece of legislation or take a single recommendation from S & B commission. What should make anyone think the new "bipartisan" committee to deal with the debt and budget will have any real teeth?
The real problem is this POTUS and Congress (the majority) being Progressives haven't passed a budget in how long? This is unprecedented in our history.
Bill
 
Every time they pull this stunt the people get madder and madder. Something WILL be solved, if not by Congress, then the voters.
 
It is always resolved by the voters, that is how it is supposed to work.
 
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Marcel, perhaps you can explain why open-air monuments were closed - for the first time ever (even during prior shutdowns) - at a cost that exceeded what it would have had they been kept open. Perhaps you can explain why Obama tried to close PRIVATE monuments? Or why Obama closed the ocean... And why we are paying federal employees for the time they sat home. If we were going to pay them, why weren't they at work?

I'll wait

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So far, two days have passed, I'm still waiting, Marcel...
 
Oweblamer has been to busy taking a victory lap to give Marcel his talking points.
 
MarcelR,

There's a reason you can't convince the majority of these boaters that Obama is good guy. He just doesn't do good guy stuff. What is amazing to me is that people such as yourself, (hopefully educated), buy in and continue to support this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esZysqHdo1Y

Now i'm not saying the other side is perfect nor have they not made promises in the past that they haven't lived up too, but they don't get the free pass from the Media or the 46% of the masses who don't contribute to any of the Federal services they receive.

http://www.justfacts.com/taxes.asp

I'm not arguing opinion. I'm just presenting the facts. :)
 
Originally posted by floydsfloat

MarcelR,

There's a reason you can't convince the majority of these boaters that Obama is good guy.

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Majority ?? OK Ted Cruz, knock yourself out. Just like MOST GOP'ers support that nut case. (Only Texan conservatives do) And most convinced themselves MITT was winning the election lol, yea you won. Yea you defeated the evil Obamacare. Just too funny.

As for MarcelR. . . .a quote from one of his earlier post.
"Well, some people actually have a life other than forums, LOL."

AMEN. The MAJORITY as floydsfloat refers to you (you know who you are) 5 or 6 of the Cruz clan on here who live for this forum, too funny.

Haven's heard any more OBAMAPHONE jokes lately. lol
Another of those boatered urban legends that got busted.
The more I read from you GOP'ers the more I am entertained. You live in you're own little world. Enjoy.
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As for the $20 bucks to join this site. ADVERTISING is paying for this now, not your $20. The longer this thread goes, the more hits = $$ Gotta love it.
 
"Obamacare" can't and won't work. To think the federal government can do anything efficiently is to ignore fact. It's called "The Affordable Care Act" just like NSA spying is called the "Patriot Act". What's next, the "Free Chocolate Act"? There is no free lunch. Government (local, county, state, federal) is never, ever efficient at anything except wasting money.

But feel free to prove me wrong. If the Affordable Care Act can actually save money and provide health care coverage for everyone, that would truly be a wonderful thing. Please report back here once you're able to sign up in "the marketplace" and let us know how that went and what your rates are like.
 
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As for the $20 bucks to join this site. ADVERTISING is paying for this now, not your $20. The longer this thread goes, the more hits = $$ Gotta love it.

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Really, have you examined the books?

One thing we know for sure, YOU are not supporting this site, which has hosted your 1488 posts...
 
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As for the $20 bucks to join this site. ADVERTISING is paying for this now, not your $20. The longer this thread goes, the more hits = $$ Gotta love it.

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The $20 is a drop in the bucket to this site.
What supported this site was Boatfix, which is gone. Les has been having some tough times, so I have no issues with whatever he needs to do to keep this site up and running so I can have a good laugh from all the Obama lovers and people who think they are real boaters!
 
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