Wakes
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What arent you guys getting? A channel is for a boat to run not drift nor anchor. If my wake knocks over wine glasses so be it. If i slowed down in the 31 searay id be throwing an ever larger wake and would be causing more damage.
Those older mainships are considered a trawler. There are slow trawlers and fast trawlers.
A double cabin boat with a decent beam is going to throw off a nice size wake.
Slowing down in tight channels wont solve anything. It will cause more damage again due to the stern diggin in more. Plus whats to say a following boat behind you is goig to slow down? He could pass you. Now what? Where did that get you?
If you guys cant handle wakes when you are in a channel or in an area that is not a no wake zone or bot in a 5mph zone then sell your boat.
I get rocked all the time when im in my 17 footer. I run my 17 footer in the ocean. Ill go out jones inlet tun the ocean to fire island inlet and come in that way.
Those older mainships are considered a trawler. There are slow trawlers and fast trawlers.
A double cabin boat with a decent beam is going to throw off a nice size wake.
Slowing down in tight channels wont solve anything. It will cause more damage again due to the stern diggin in more. Plus whats to say a following boat behind you is goig to slow down? He could pass you. Now what? Where did that get you?
If you guys cant handle wakes when you are in a channel or in an area that is not a no wake zone or bot in a 5mph zone then sell your boat.
I get rocked all the time when im in my 17 footer. I run my 17 footer in the ocean. Ill go out jones inlet tun the ocean to fire island inlet and come in that way.
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Man you are in left field. I did not add nor omit anything. I simply answered the question asked.
In fact it was you that added the part about a no wake zone. So whom is it that chooses to add and omit?
I stand by what I wrote. If I am going through the bay I am not making special consideration because I see a drifting or anchored Leo boat.
If you anchor or drift in a high traffic area that is not no wake and you in turn expect not to be waked then you are as dumb as the day is long
No one is sitting here saying that its ok to run close to a boat drifting or anchored inside or just outside the channel. If a boat is anchored just outside the channel, why should I slow down if I am in the channel?
If there are people standing on the curb, should I slow down when I am in the right lane?
When you are out on the water, you should expect the unexpected. If you want to anchor, anchor in a protected area if you do not want to get rocked.
The older style aft cabin boats cannot level out and because of that its going to throw a large wake. They cannot level out because they didnt have the hp.
Any object moving through water will cause a wake. A ripple is when you throw a rock in the water and the water moves out with a little water movement. When a 30,000lbs trawler is moving through the water at 10knots, its not a ripple, its a fricken wake and a roller behind the boat.
There are plenty of idiots who run their planing hulls at 12-15 knots, not up on plane but are calling it "hull" speed. Look at the water movement from that. Why dont you get on them for that?
Again, if you dont like being rocked, then either boat someplace else. What makes you think that you are the best captain out there and everyone else operating a boat not in the manner you would expect is no good? Do you know the other captains circumstances? Do you know what that boat can and cannot do?
Let me pose this. IF you are in a no wake zone, is it ok for a dinghy to be up on plane? They throw a tiny wake that would hardly move a boat. So is that acceptable?
If there are people standing on the curb, should I slow down when I am in the right lane?
When you are out on the water, you should expect the unexpected. If you want to anchor, anchor in a protected area if you do not want to get rocked.
The older style aft cabin boats cannot level out and because of that its going to throw a large wake. They cannot level out because they didnt have the hp.
Any object moving through water will cause a wake. A ripple is when you throw a rock in the water and the water moves out with a little water movement. When a 30,000lbs trawler is moving through the water at 10knots, its not a ripple, its a fricken wake and a roller behind the boat.
There are plenty of idiots who run their planing hulls at 12-15 knots, not up on plane but are calling it "hull" speed. Look at the water movement from that. Why dont you get on them for that?
Again, if you dont like being rocked, then either boat someplace else. What makes you think that you are the best captain out there and everyone else operating a boat not in the manner you would expect is no good? Do you know the other captains circumstances? Do you know what that boat can and cannot do?
Let me pose this. IF you are in a no wake zone, is it ok for a dinghy to be up on plane? They throw a tiny wake that would hardly move a boat. So is that acceptable?
Maybe someone brought this up already in the thread... but if you're overtaking a slower boat, or boat under sail, how could you do it without throwing a wake? If you slowed down to no wake speed, you wouldn't be able to overtake them.
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My way if seing is simple: I look at my wake, and ask myself if I d be ok on the receiving end. Usually the answer is no and i slow down so my wake is not an issue
The concept that it s a pain to waste time to be courteous is a funny one. Most of us are on the water because we enjoy being on the water... So what ifvtiubare going to waste a few minutes? It s not like you're in a car in rush hour traffic!
For instance when approaching congested areas like Newport or Annapolis, I usually slow down way before the no wake zone when traffic becomes such that my wake will affect others. I end up "wasting" 10 minutes at the most. Big deal...
Again, slowing down means off plane, minimum wake, below hull speed
A properly done pass in a narrow channel (incl the ICW) takes one minute if done properly. If the other buy doesn't slow down then it his choice but at least i tried... Again, at the end of a typical 8 hour day being courteous has cost me 20 to 30 minutes top.
It also depends on where you are and what kind of boat you re dealing with. For instance in an inlet heading out to open waters i
Will usually assume that boats coming in or out are ready for a wake. On the other hand when in a marina channel in a protected bay, the other guy may be out for nice relaxing ride, may have some good or drinks out or someone down below. Why not slow down? What is the bid deal?
The concept that it s a pain to waste time to be courteous is a funny one. Most of us are on the water because we enjoy being on the water... So what ifvtiubare going to waste a few minutes? It s not like you're in a car in rush hour traffic!
For instance when approaching congested areas like Newport or Annapolis, I usually slow down way before the no wake zone when traffic becomes such that my wake will affect others. I end up "wasting" 10 minutes at the most. Big deal...
Again, slowing down means off plane, minimum wake, below hull speed
A properly done pass in a narrow channel (incl the ICW) takes one minute if done properly. If the other buy doesn't slow down then it his choice but at least i tried... Again, at the end of a typical 8 hour day being courteous has cost me 20 to 30 minutes top.
It also depends on where you are and what kind of boat you re dealing with. For instance in an inlet heading out to open waters i
Will usually assume that boats coming in or out are ready for a wake. On the other hand when in a marina channel in a protected bay, the other guy may be out for nice relaxing ride, may have some good or drinks out or someone down below. Why not slow down? What is the bid deal?
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This is something I get really frustrated with. When in the ICW, 99% of the time the boat I am overtaking is a sail boat and 99% of the time they apparently do not listen to their radio because they seldom answer the hail. Plus, they usually do not slow down or alter their course/speed at all. About the only way to get around them is push the nose in the air and plow on by.
Another +1 for Pascal.
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Matt,
I think our conditions differ from 99% of the boaters here ! I stopped getting involved in these debates as they always get ugly . I guess ny is the only place that has fishing aholes ! See now Im involved crap
Rob
I think our conditions differ from 99% of the boaters here ! I stopped getting involved in these debates as they always get ugly . I guess ny is the only place that has fishing aholes ! See now Im involved crap
Rob
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No, RI has them to and I am one of them. Thing is outside of a no wake zone I don't expect or care if you come off plane.
I fully realize I put myself there to fish and will deal with the wakes
Here's my wake at on-plane cruising speed:
Well, that's not factual. Slow that SeaRay down to idle speed (about 6 MPH), and you will throw little or no wake.
I expect you are able to navigate no-wake zones legally and enter and leave marinas at a reasonable speed (and wake).
I'll do my best to avoid waking another boat but I have my limit. Someone dropping their anchor does mean they own that area. There are certain spots on the river where it is especially good for water skiing and it seems there are a few boats that anchor there. We'll stay 100'-150' away from them, as do others that are skiing, tubing, etc.. but we're certainly not going slow down.
This past fall, I took a trip up the ICW about 60 miles (over two days) and back again. It was snowbird season and I passed and was passed by 15-20 boats. All the ones that passed me (except the runabouts, skiffs, etc.) called me on the VHF and arranged the pass. All but two that I called for a pass answered back and we arranged the pass. One was a sailboat, one was a tug pushing a barge. That one surprised me. I probably should have used my horn.
I would like to think that if you set out in your boat to go water skiing and you found a place but there were already boats anchored there, that you would move on to another spot rather than spend the day riding in circles at high speed around them.
Ron. When i said slow down my 31 searay that means coming off plane. I dont just pull the throttles back. When slowing from plane it throws a large wake
Rob you are absolutely right. South shore long island is completely different fro
What these guys are talking about.
Itk is on the same page as me
Caltexfla. You think everyone has their radio on so you can hail them. Haha. You must be smoking some good stuff
Big big big -1 on your post. Thats in a perfect world pal
Rob you are absolutely right. South shore long island is completely different fro
What these guys are talking about.
Itk is on the same page as me
Caltexfla. You think everyone has their radio on so you can hail them. Haha. You must be smoking some good stuff
Big big big -1 on your post. Thats in a perfect world pal
If they want to anchor there, that's ok. We, as well as many others, are going to ski there. When done we'll head back up river to our anchoring area where people don't ski. They choose to anchor in an area where there is a lot of boat action.
The two pictures below are of my wakes in the 31 searay and in the 17 center console. The first picture is in the Searay at cruising speed, and the second one is the 17 center console in the ocean. Both throw a decent wake for their size boat.
I dont know where the rest of you boat, but ill guarantee its night and day from what its like on long island. You simply cannot compare river or lake boating to bay and ocean boating.
I am simply not doing anything illegal by throwing a wake. I am operating my vessel as I should. NEVER have I gotten stopped for throwing a wake in an area where I should not, or stopped for swamping another boat.
Ill slow down complete off plane and in idle speed if there is a boat in distress or in tow. To simply slow down because there are people fishing or anchored in the channel is completely asinine.
Yeah, I get what Pascal is saying believe me I do. Again, wakes are a part of boating.
Lets look at it this way. If I slow down to pass another boat that is drifting in the channel, and there is a boat behind me that now has to take evasive action to not run into me and pass me and leave me enough room, and he may not see the other boat I slowed down for. Now what happens?? The boat that had to pass me is now forcing me to deal with his wake and I will not get bounced around from his wake, the boat I originally slowed down for will also bounce around from his wake and from the wake of my boat bouncing around.
Why not just let the single boat deal with two boats cruising past him?
Sometimes slowing down causes more of a problem then not slowing down. There are no brake lights on a boat, so itll take a few seconds to see that the boat in front of you is slowing.
You dont have to agree with me, but to tell me I am dead wrong is completely absurd. Most of you do not know what its like boating on the south shore, so there fore you cannot comment, and tell me I am wrong in my logic. Plain and simple.
As crappy as it sounds, 90% pf people on the water do not care about their fellow boaters, just like people out on the road. Its almost like survival of the fittest on the waters of the south shore of long island.
I dont know where the rest of you boat, but ill guarantee its night and day from what its like on long island. You simply cannot compare river or lake boating to bay and ocean boating.
I am simply not doing anything illegal by throwing a wake. I am operating my vessel as I should. NEVER have I gotten stopped for throwing a wake in an area where I should not, or stopped for swamping another boat.
Ill slow down complete off plane and in idle speed if there is a boat in distress or in tow. To simply slow down because there are people fishing or anchored in the channel is completely asinine.
Yeah, I get what Pascal is saying believe me I do. Again, wakes are a part of boating.
Lets look at it this way. If I slow down to pass another boat that is drifting in the channel, and there is a boat behind me that now has to take evasive action to not run into me and pass me and leave me enough room, and he may not see the other boat I slowed down for. Now what happens?? The boat that had to pass me is now forcing me to deal with his wake and I will not get bounced around from his wake, the boat I originally slowed down for will also bounce around from his wake and from the wake of my boat bouncing around.
Why not just let the single boat deal with two boats cruising past him?
Sometimes slowing down causes more of a problem then not slowing down. There are no brake lights on a boat, so itll take a few seconds to see that the boat in front of you is slowing.
You dont have to agree with me, but to tell me I am dead wrong is completely absurd. Most of you do not know what its like boating on the south shore, so there fore you cannot comment, and tell me I am wrong in my logic. Plain and simple.
As crappy as it sounds, 90% pf people on the water do not care about their fellow boaters, just like people out on the road. Its almost like survival of the fittest on the waters of the south shore of long island.
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This is why I said it really depends on the conditions, where you are and what kind of boats you are dealing with.
Fishermen anchored ner a narrow channel? My criteria will be their safety (not swamp or damage their boat) not their comfort. Now, if there is a kid on board and a wife... I will probably reduce my wake even more. Again common sense and courtesy.
As to ICW passing, here is a clip I took last year... The trawler did it right, if you check the time between slowing down and accelerating again, it s a minute. No more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoSFJq3IPY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Totally painless.
No here is how not to do it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgv9qiG0ok0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
As to where I boat, my main playground is Biscayne bay but I regularly run from south Florida to Cape Cod so I ve see it all!
And yeah, we once had to spend an hour cleaning the galley floor because some AH sportsfish jock from jersey came around flying around a bend throwing a 4' wake passing without signal or courtesy...
Fishermen anchored ner a narrow channel? My criteria will be their safety (not swamp or damage their boat) not their comfort. Now, if there is a kid on board and a wife... I will probably reduce my wake even more. Again common sense and courtesy.
As to ICW passing, here is a clip I took last year... The trawler did it right, if you check the time between slowing down and accelerating again, it s a minute. No more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoSFJq3IPY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Totally painless.
No here is how not to do it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgv9qiG0ok0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
As to where I boat, my main playground is Biscayne bay but I regularly run from south Florida to Cape Cod so I ve see it all!
And yeah, we once had to spend an hour cleaning the galley floor because some AH sportsfish jock from jersey came around flying around a bend throwing a 4' wake passing without signal or courtesy...