Wakes

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Originally posted by BoatCrazy

Ron. When i said slow down my 31 searay that means coming off plane. I dont just pull the throttles back. When slowing from plane it throws a large wake

Rob you are absolutely right. South shore long island is completely different fro
What these guys are talking about.

Itk is on the same page as me

Caltexfla. You think everyone has their radio on so you can hail them. Haha. You must be smoking some good stuff

Big big big -1 on your post. Thats in a perfect world pal

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You need to get out more often. My boating grounds are Tampa through Massachusetts on my present boat, and the Western US on others, and the oceans attached thereto.

As someone else posted , sailboats (and for some reason especially those with a Canadian flag) are often bad at having the radio on or responding. So we go by as slow as we can and I make a point of waving the handset at them if they get fussy. We have even got on the loud hailer and dispensed a few polite, but pointed words.

But I get it. You are seemingly surrounded by crappy boaters, so you choose to be a crappy boater. I've seen the same phenomena in parts of New Jersey, South Florida, and the Connecticut River.. all best avoided on the weekends.

It's kind of ironic, the guys on here with boats that can throw the most hellacious wakes if they so chose, are the ones advocating common sense and courtesy. The only time I am really on the receiving end is when I am on my Whaler. Usually, in the Hatt, I will tell the big sport fishermen to stay on plane and come on by, I can speed up a bit and my stabilizers will do their job. But when dishing it out, I always try to put myself at the other guy's helm. Who came up with that Golden Rule baloney anyway? And why was I dumb enough to buy into it?
 
quote:
Originally posted by BoatCrazy

Ron. When i said slow down my 31 searay that means coming off plane. I dont just pull the throttles back. When slowing from plane it throws a large wake

Rob you are absolutely right. South shore long island is completely different fro
What these guys are talking about.

Itk is on the same page as me

Caltexfla. You think everyone has their radio on so you can hail them. Haha. You must be smoking some good stuff

Big big big -1 on your post. Thats in a perfect world pal

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Damn, NY is off my list of places to ever boat. I'll stick to MD, FL, and the Bahamas. My radios are ALWAYS on. One on 16, and one scanning 9 and 13. I want to know what's going on around me. I'll boat near Pascal or George any day of the week. Both drive some very large recreational vessels, and they both have class and courtesy. Some of you could learn from them.
 
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Originally posted by BoatCrazy

The two pictures below are of my wakes in the 31 searay and in the 17 center console. The first picture is in the Searay at cruising speed, and the second one is the 17 center console in the ocean. Both throw a decent wake for their size boat.

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Personally, I don't consider either of those very large at all. If we passed in an inlet, I'd just wave. If you went by me when I'm underway (you're faster I'm quite sure), and were at least 100 yards away, I'd wave. No big deal. It's the darn other boats you've posted about I have problems with (aft cabins without enough power and idiots in express cruisers/planing hull running 10-13 knots with their bows way up and sterns dug in).

I really don't think we're all that far apart on this issue.
 
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Originally posted by PascalG

.......And yeah, we once had to spend an hour cleaning the galley floor because some AH sportsfish jock from jersey came around flying around a bend throwing a 4' wake passing without signal or courtesy...
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That happened to me once on the ICW in SC. And another time in the Charleston Harbor. Water everywhere, but he had to head straight for me.

Know the difference between a porcupine and a sportfish?

On a porcupine, the pricks are on the outside!
 
quote:
Originally posted by BoatCrazy

Ron. When i said slow down my 31 searay that means coming off plane. I dont just pull the throttles back. When slowing from plane it throws a large wake
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If you just cut your throttles, yes, that will create a large wake, and on some boats, possibly force water up the exhaust system and into the engine. If you slow down more gently, there will not be a large wake.
 
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Originally posted by PascalG

My way if seing is simple: I look at my wake, and ask myself if I d be ok on the receiving end. Usually the answer is no and i slow down so my wake is not an issue

The concept that it s a pain to waste time to be courteous is a funny one. Most of us are on the water because we enjoy being on the water... So what ifvtiubare going to waste a few minutes? It s not like you're in a car in rush hour traffic!

For instance when approaching congested areas like Newport or Annapolis, I usually slow down way before the no wake zone when traffic becomes such that my wake will affect others. I end up "wasting" 10 minutes at the most. Big deal...

Again, slowing down means off plane, minimum wake, below hull speed

A properly done pass in a narrow channel (incl the ICW) takes one minute if done properly. If the other buy doesn't slow down then it his choice but at least i tried... Again, at the end of a typical 8 hour day being courteous has cost me 20 to 30 minutes top.

It also depends on where you are and what kind of boat you re dealing with. For instance in an inlet heading out to open waters i
Will usually assume that boats coming in or out are ready for a wake. On the other hand when in a marina channel in a protected bay, the other guy may be out for nice relaxing ride, may have some good or drinks out or someone down below. Why not slow down? What is the bid deal?

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I dont see what is so funny about, this would be a typical trip for us.

Leave Allen Harbor, proceed out of marina and into channel at no wake speed - no wake zone.

Come up on plane outside no wake zone.

Come off plane - see some fisherman throwing plastic for stripers at the sand bar on the north end of the channel.

Come back on plane and proceed south. Come off plane, a boat is trolling umbrellas at the shipping channel contours. Pass by.

Come on plane continue south.

Come off plane, another boat trolling the shipping contours.

Come on plane continue south. Come off plane - kayak trolling a tube and worm.

Come on plane continue south.

Come off plane - sailboat regatta just off northerly tip of Jamestown. Quick scan of the sticks guess is about 80-100 boats will.

Come on plane after crossing sailboat. Come off plane, another one to cross. Come on plane after crossing. Off plane, another one to cross. On plane, off plane, on plane, off plane, on plane, off plane. Okay through the regatta finally and back on plane.

Come off plane, a few fisherman at the rocks off of fox island

Back on plane. Nope, come off plane - some people fishing the spans at the Jamestown bridge.

Back on plane - not for too long, some guys fluke fishing the northern end of Dutch Island.

Got choices here, pass Dutch on the east side, and you got a mooring field on your east, and for sure boats anchored on your west against the island. We don't want to break the BE rule and wake these boats, none of which are in a no wake zone, so we decide to pass d
Dutch Island on the west side. On plane.

Not a wise decision. We got multiple boats on the drift along the island fishing for fluke, and sea bass off plane.

Back on plane, back off plane - seems there is a another regatta up this end of the bacy - more rag baggers to cross.

On plane, off plane, on plane, off plane, on plane, off plane, on plane, off plane. This guy is pist at us because we crossed his stern, where the other sail boat is glad we crossed his bow. Seems by the middle finger salute, the guy we crossed abeam is not too happy with us either.

Through the regatta back on plane. Come off plane, we got guys anchored up and drift fishing Brenton Reef.

Back on plane, back off plane, seems word is out that the sea bass bite is good around Whale Rock, we got guys fishing.

Finally we are clear all obstacles and back on plane.

Back off plane, we got half a dozen or so sail boats coming back into the bay.

Cross them and back on plane. Finally - arrive Block Island North rip to fish 5.5 hours later and barely any fuel left in tanks.

Repeat process on way back - only this time the regatta's should be over.

Today we were fortunate, we didn't even come across any dive flags.
 
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If you just cut your throttles, yes, that will create a large wake, and on some boats, possibly force water up the exhaust system and into the engine. If you slow down more gently, there will not be a large wake."

Ron you are on another planet. When I pull back my throttles gently to come off plane, again when I pull my throttles back gently to come off plane, ANY boat is going to throw a larger wake. You get to the RPMs where your not on plane, when your stern is digging and the bow is raised a bit.

Remember, when you go on plane, what happens? Your stern digs in and your bow goes up till your fully on plane and level out, and from that point on you can trim the boat how you see fit. What do you think happens when its time to come off plane? No wake? No water movement? or do you have no clue?
 
I agree with ITK. In busy channels in the middle of the summer, it would be impossible to come off plane every time you encountered another vessel. And consider overtaking. If I radio the boat ahead to slow down to headway speed, so I can slow down to no wake speed to overtake him… within a minute, I’ll have another boat on my stern. Is he then supposed to slow down, and the one after, and the one after that? What about the boats coming in the other direction?

I think that if you’re going to be on a busy waterway, you have to expect wakes. If you anchor at the edge of a channel to fish, you have to expect wakes. If you’re going to be out in small vessels, you have to expect wakes. I kayak and sunfish on Barnegat Bay, NJ, where there’s a million boats. If I didn’t know how to right them if they tip, I really have no business being out there.
 
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Originally posted by BoatCrazy

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If you just cut your throttles, yes, that will create a large wake, and on some boats, possibly force water up the exhaust system and into the engine. If you slow down more gently, there will not be a large wake."

Ron you are on another planet. When I pull back my throttles gently to come off plane, again when I pull my throttles back gently to come off plane, ANY boat is going to throw a larger wake. You get to the RPMs where your not on plane, when your stern is digging and the bow is raised a bit.

Remember, when you go on plane, what happens? Your stern digs in and your bow goes up till your fully on plane and level out, and from that point on you can trim the boat how you see fit. What do you think happens when its time to come off plane? No wake? No water movement? or do you have no clue?

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Those are some pretty poor attempts at insulting my intelligence.

You either:

1) Have no clue how to properly operate your boat.

or

2) Are just making excuses for why you don't slow down and minimize your wake when you should be doing so.
 
Ron, your above post shows you are out of touch with reality. Did I say I was attempting to insult your intelligence? Nope.

how does ANY of that show that I do not know how to properly operate my boat? I am certainly not making any excuses why I do not slow down when ron the waterway police says I should be. why should I be? What am I doing wrong? I am operating my boat in a safe manner. The guys fishing and anchored in the channel are the ones breaking the law.

Kurt even said based on those pictures my wakes arent that big. So why should I slow down to pass someone?
 
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Originally posted by BoatCrazy

Kurt even said based on those pictures my wakes arent that big. So why should I slow down to pass someone?

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I never said you should. Personally, under way in open water I wouldn't have any issue with a wake your size. It's the guilty parties you've pointed out that I have an issue with:

-Knuckle-heads running just below planing speed with their bows in the air and sterns dug in.

-Under-powered aft cabins that can do nothing but push water ("poorly designed boats" in my opinion).
 
Boats with tunnels such as sea ray tend to make bigger wakes especially at slower speeds. At slow speed with the bow down no boat makes much wake. It is those middle speeds that cause the most wake and controversy but IMO operating at speed in narrow channels with a lot of other boats is asking for trouble. However we are pressured to adopt a when in Rome attitude in some channels where all the boats insist in running fast. I hate that.

In wide water just alter your course to pass far away. Why not, you are going fast so it wont add much to your time.

Sailboats tend to loose the wind in the sails when waked causing loss of power and stability and I agree it is difficult to get them on the radio and horns are interpreted as rudeness.
 
The way I see it is we have extreme opinions on both ends of the debate. (never wake me on the one end and I really don't care too much about my wake as long as I am not in a no wake zone) The rest reside someplace along the line that connects the two extremes and we all move along the line depending on what kind of day we are having and where we need to be by what time. In my opinion, if you know how to operate your boat and you are paying attention, you can minimize the affects that a big wake can have on you by altering course. What makes no sense to me is the guy that is bitching about wakes on the radio all the way out to the inlet and then heads out the inlet into the ocean into 3' to 4' footers. These people have "wake rage" derangement syndrome!
 
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Originally posted by PascalG

This is why I said it really depends on the conditions, where you are and what kind of boats you are dealing with.

Fishermen anchored ner a narrow channel? My criteria will be their safety (not swamp or damage their boat) not their comfort. Now, if there is a kid on board and a wife... I will probably reduce my wake even more. Again common sense and courtesy.

As to ICW passing, here is a clip I took last year... The trawler did it right, if you check the time between slowing down and accelerating again, it s a minute. No more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoSFJq3IPY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Totally painless.

No here is how not to do it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgv9qiG0ok0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

As to where I boat, my main playground is Biscayne bay but I regularly run from south Florida to Cape Cod so I ve see it all!

And yeah, we once had to spend an hour cleaning the galley floor because some AH sportsfish jock from jersey came around flying around a bend throwing a 4' wake passing without signal or courtesy...

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Pascal:

In your first video, you don't have another boat in your line of sight.

Do me a favor and conduct an experiment. Next time you are running into Newport, proceed further North down the East Passage. Go around Prudence Island and continue back South through the West Passage. Go around Brenton Point and back into Newport.

Use your protocol and report back with the results.
 
When I first started boating I had my galley lockers emptied out one day from a big wake. Never happened again and that was 40 yrs ago. For people with WDS (wake derangement syndrome) after you take your tranquilizers try securing all your gear and lockers before you leave the dock...you never know what evil lurks around the bend.
 
Pascal. I just watched your videos. In a perfect world everyone would do what you did in the first video. No need to tell you that is the right way to do it.

However come boating on the southshore of long island. Try what you did in video 1 and you would get no response.

We boat in two completely different areas and different circumstances.
 
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Originally posted by BoatCrazy

Pascal. I just watched your videos. In a perfect world everyone would do what you did in the first video. No need to tell you that is the right way to do it.

However come boating on the southshore of long island. Try what you did in video 1 and you would get no response.

We boat in two completely different areas and different circumstances.
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There are official required proceedures for passing or overtaking another vessel. If we decide to ignore these proceedures because we don't think other boaters will follow them, we only make matters worse, not better.

Do you aspire to be as dumb as the other person or would it be better to set a good example by doing it the way you know to be the right way and hope it will rub off on that person?
 
Ron, so if the boat infront of my has their radio off I am not supposed to pass them? I cruise at 19knots, you know how many times I get passed, and NOT once do I get hailed? Yeah, one can blast a horn, but again, whats to say the guy is going to hear it?

Again, Ron, come boat where I boat and ull see why I have the attitude I have. I am well aware of the procedures, however people on long island dont have a clue. Come on down to the south shore and your head will spin.
 
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